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I'm generally on board with vaccines, and am myself currently fully vaccinated, however, this has just become a condition of my employment at _a very large tech

I'm generally on board with vaccines, and am myself currently fully vaccinated, however, this has just become a condition of my employment at _a very large tech company_. So the possibility that this definition is completely negotiable and shifting like the sands makes me uncomfortable.

FjolsvithAase 5y ago
What about the idea that your dependency on your health protection could be affected by things like availability, quality issues, etc? My wife is a diabetic, and I absolutely cringe at the thought that her insulin supply could be limited or tainted. My wife didn't have a choice about being dependent on her medicine. But you did.
- gengelbro 5y ago
  I don't mean to be callous but I'm not sure I'm drawing a direct line here? How does my comment imply I want some interruption in your wife's insulin supply?
  - FjolsvithAase 5y ago
    > How does my comment imply I want some interruption in your wife's insulin supply? It doesn't. And I made no such suggestion about wanting interruption in medicines. I merely questioned the wisdom of voluntarily making oneself dependent on an uninterrupted, untainted supply of medicine. https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210310/pfizers-newest-vaccine-plant-has-persistent-mold-issues-history-of-recalls https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/2021031...
    - gengelbro 5y ago
      Ah! I see then we agree.
mox1 5y ago
you do realize that the public school system in america had had pseudo-mandatory vaccines for a while now right? In fact, the list of vaccines required has changed over time even! Somehow we all managed to cope with that for the past 20 or so years….
- gengelbro 5y ago
  Pseudo is doing a lot of work in your reply, as there as always been a very easy exemptions, religious or otherwise. The recent movement has been too close those exemptions (see maine & the supreme court), and so now this resembles force more than procedural hoops.
- paul_f 5y ago
  Required vaccines for school children are for diseases that affect school children. Not to protect old people or people with co-morbidities from a diseases that has little to no impact on young healthy people. Asking children to be a shield is immoral.
  - hncurious 5y ago
    That, plus most of those vaccines were tested for 13+ years before becoming mandatory. Polio was an outlier at 6 years. The cost benefit analysis made sense in that case given how destructive polio is for kids.
    - angelzen 5y ago
      Speaking of polio vaccines, the field trials for polio involved ~1.83 million children, recorded 518 cases of paralytic polio and demonstrated a 71% reduction in paralytic polio. The mRNA covid vaccine clinical trials involved ~2000 children and recorded no severe covid. Surely polio vaccines and mRNA covid vaccines for kids are just the same thing because people dressed up in white coats were involved in both cases. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/301691 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/30169...
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FjolsvithAase 5y ago

What about the idea that your dependency on your health protection could be affected by things like availability, quality issues, etc? My wife is a diabetic, and I absolutely cringe at the thought that her insulin supply could be limited or tainted. My wife didn't have a choice about being dependent on her medicine. But you did.

gengelbro 5y ago
I don't mean to be callous but I'm not sure I'm drawing a direct line here? How does my comment imply I want some interruption in your wife's insulin supply?
- FjolsvithAase 5y ago
  > How does my comment imply I want some interruption in your wife's insulin supply? It doesn't. And I made no such suggestion about wanting interruption in medicines. I merely questioned the wisdom of voluntarily making oneself dependent on an uninterrupted, untainted supply of medicine. https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210310/pfizers-newest-vaccine-plant-has-persistent-mold-issues-history-of-recalls https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/2021031...
  - gengelbro 5y ago
    Ah! I see then we agree.

mox1 5y ago

you do realize that the public school system in america had had pseudo-mandatory vaccines for a while now right? In fact, the list of vaccines required has changed over time even! Somehow we all managed to cope with that for the past 20 or so years….

gengelbro 5y ago
Pseudo is doing a lot of work in your reply, as there as always been a very easy exemptions, religious or otherwise. The recent movement has been too close those exemptions (see maine & the supreme court), and so now this resembles force more than procedural hoops.
paul_f 5y ago
Required vaccines for school children are for diseases that affect school children. Not to protect old people or people with co-morbidities from a diseases that has little to no impact on young healthy people. Asking children to be a shield is immoral.
- hncurious 5y ago
  That, plus most of those vaccines were tested for 13+ years before becoming mandatory. Polio was an outlier at 6 years. The cost benefit analysis made sense in that case given how destructive polio is for kids.
  - angelzen 5y ago
    Speaking of polio vaccines, the field trials for polio involved ~1.83 million children, recorded 518 cases of paralytic polio and demonstrated a 71% reduction in paralytic polio. The mRNA covid vaccine clinical trials involved ~2000 children and recorded no severe covid. Surely polio vaccines and mRNA covid vaccines for kids are just the same thing because people dressed up in white coats were involved in both cases. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/301691 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/30169...

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