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Good for you I guess. I replaced Google search with Brave and DDG, Google Docs is not so useful for me (bad support for math formulas) and Gmail is just a defa

Good for you I guess. I replaced Google search with Brave and DDG, Google Docs is not so useful for me (bad support for math formulas) and Gmail is just a default service I use from a client I don't happen to see much value in the product you mention. The main reason I use them is because of inertia and the need to jump through hoops with my Android phone to use alternatives. And interestingly I see Facebook and Whatsapp as very valuable for keeping in contact with people I am physically far from. So I guess my experience is sort of the opposite

lumost 5y ago
curious, I'm not a fan of organizing my own docs collection or being unable to collaborate on docs/share them via urls - I also dislike bespoke native apps for most tasks that are comfortable in the browser. Have you found equivalent services to gmail and docs without the privacy risks? it wouldn't be too bad to spend a dollar or two a month for something with less privacy tradeoffs.
yaseer 5y ago
I agree, WhatsApp is (or was historically) a great product I got value from. Unfortunately I think Facebook's incentives will compromise the product's quality. It's why many move to signal and telegram.
agustif 5y ago
I wanted to build a science paper research platform, and math support was big on the list, the outlineapp team had an open issue to support LaTeX. You might be interested in that as a docs replacement maybe
FridayoLeary 5y ago
Doesn't Brave just take its results from google? They are pretty hard to avoid, being an effective monopoly.
- wutbrodo 5y ago
  > They are pretty hard to avoid, being an effective monopoly. Im confused by this claim. Is it really that difficult to avoid Google search? It seems to me that it just requires going to bing.com, or changing the default search in your browser. Also, Brave Search uses its own index, not google results.
  - simonh 5y ago
    Agreed, they are not a monopoly in any sense of the word. They're just considerably better than their competition, and it's absurdly easy to choose whichever search service you like, so almost everyone chooses Google. It's the same with facebook, nearly everyone else is already there, so if you want to connect to people that's where you go. They just hit critical mass first. The word monopoly gets thrown around as though it just means 'big and bad'. It's wooly thinking that's polluting the debate by obscuring what's actually going on. Missing the mark like that just detracts focus from actual pertinent criticisms of the harm these companies actually do, or what needs to happen to resolve those issues.
    - salawat 5y ago
      https://www.competitionpolicyinternational.com/why-is-it-called-antitrust/ https://www.competitionpolicyinternational.com/why-is-it-cal... Y'all needy to either be way more pedantic, or back off a bit, but staying at the level you're at is completely missing the point most people have taken to referring to with the word ’monopoly'.
      - simonh 5y ago
        There’s certainly some cartel-like behaviour going on, such as the recently uncovered collusion between Facebook and Google in the ad markets. That has to be stamped on. I’m a little uneasy about Facebook owning WhatsApp, but I can’t see any concrete way they are able to use that to significantly exclude competition. I just don’t see how Google is leveraging its other properties in significant ways to exclude say Bing or DDG. I use Google docs and gmail, but what has that got to do with whether I use Google search or Bing? What anti-trust action do you think is needed, and what is it’s desired outcome? I don’t know what ‘breaking up Facebook ’ really means, except maybe making them sell WhatsApp. What would that achieve?
0x0nyandesu 5y ago
Wish that HN would ban comments that start with "I". So tired of hearing random nerd's anecdotes of why their particular use case is so much more important. Seriously. If you're about to tell us your individual "I" story just stop. No one cares.
- FridayoLeary 5y ago
  You mean "I wish" don't you?
- sircastor 5y ago
  On the contrary, the anecdotes are what I find to be the most meaningful. The odd cases, edge cases, and the opinions of how people use a tool is what I find the most important. That’s where the value is of “why not?” It’s easy to generalize and assume that everyone is just like you. I’m glad we have folks sharing the differences.
- 6a74 5y ago
  As if you don't do it yourself. Just a few of your recent comments: > I just bought a 1600 sq ft home and it's honestly too small cause... [0] > I got expelled from high school because of this program. I'm a millionaire now though so shrug. [1] > I recently switched from rolling my own table to SQS. [2] > I love how this article blatantly lies in the title when... [3] > I used to do dishes, drive thru, kitchen, and floors at a Chic-Fil-A [4] > I noticed after having both for years that FiOS doesn't care at all... [5] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28939110 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28939110 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28901775 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28901775 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27482459 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27482459 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27475020 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27475020 [4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27418894 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27418894 [5] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27408216 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27408216
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indymike 5y ago
> I replaced Google search with Brave and DDG, I've been using Brave's new search engine for the last three weeks and it is extremely good. This is the first time a non-Google search engine has made it a week in my daily workflow (software development + own multiple businesses).

lumost 5y ago

curious, I'm not a fan of organizing my own docs collection or being unable to collaborate on docs/share them via urls - I also dislike bespoke native apps for most tasks that are comfortable in the browser. Have you found equivalent services to gmail and docs without the privacy risks? it wouldn't be too bad to spend a dollar or two a month for something with less privacy tradeoffs.

yaseer 5y ago

I agree, WhatsApp is (or was historically) a great product I got value from. Unfortunately I think Facebook's incentives will compromise the product's quality. It's why many move to signal and telegram.

agustif 5y ago

I wanted to build a science paper research platform, and math support was big on the list, the outlineapp team had an open issue to support LaTeX. You might be interested in that as a docs replacement maybe

FridayoLeary 5y ago

Doesn't Brave just take its results from google? They are pretty hard to avoid, being an effective monopoly.

wutbrodo 5y ago
> They are pretty hard to avoid, being an effective monopoly. Im confused by this claim. Is it really that difficult to avoid Google search? It seems to me that it just requires going to bing.com, or changing the default search in your browser. Also, Brave Search uses its own index, not google results.
- simonh 5y ago
  Agreed, they are not a monopoly in any sense of the word. They're just considerably better than their competition, and it's absurdly easy to choose whichever search service you like, so almost everyone chooses Google. It's the same with facebook, nearly everyone else is already there, so if you want to connect to people that's where you go. They just hit critical mass first. The word monopoly gets thrown around as though it just means 'big and bad'. It's wooly thinking that's polluting the debate by obscuring what's actually going on. Missing the mark like that just detracts focus from actual pertinent criticisms of the harm these companies actually do, or what needs to happen to resolve those issues.
  - salawat 5y ago
    https://www.competitionpolicyinternational.com/why-is-it-called-antitrust/ https://www.competitionpolicyinternational.com/why-is-it-cal... Y'all needy to either be way more pedantic, or back off a bit, but staying at the level you're at is completely missing the point most people have taken to referring to with the word ’monopoly'.
    - simonh 5y ago
      There’s certainly some cartel-like behaviour going on, such as the recently uncovered collusion between Facebook and Google in the ad markets. That has to be stamped on. I’m a little uneasy about Facebook owning WhatsApp, but I can’t see any concrete way they are able to use that to significantly exclude competition. I just don’t see how Google is leveraging its other properties in significant ways to exclude say Bing or DDG. I use Google docs and gmail, but what has that got to do with whether I use Google search or Bing? What anti-trust action do you think is needed, and what is it’s desired outcome? I don’t know what ‘breaking up Facebook ’ really means, except maybe making them sell WhatsApp. What would that achieve?

0x0nyandesu 5y ago

Wish that HN would ban comments that start with "I". So tired of hearing random nerd's anecdotes of why their particular use case is so much more important. Seriously. If you're about to tell us your individual "I" story just stop. No one cares.

FridayoLeary 5y ago
You mean "I wish" don't you?
sircastor 5y ago
On the contrary, the anecdotes are what I find to be the most meaningful. The odd cases, edge cases, and the opinions of how people use a tool is what I find the most important. That’s where the value is of “why not?” It’s easy to generalize and assume that everyone is just like you. I’m glad we have folks sharing the differences.
6a74 5y ago
As if you don't do it yourself. Just a few of your recent comments: > I just bought a 1600 sq ft home and it's honestly too small cause... [0] > I got expelled from high school because of this program. I'm a millionaire now though so shrug. [1] > I recently switched from rolling my own table to SQS. [2] > I love how this article blatantly lies in the title when... [3] > I used to do dishes, drive thru, kitchen, and floors at a Chic-Fil-A [4] > I noticed after having both for years that FiOS doesn't care at all... [5] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28939110 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28939110 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28901775 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28901775 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27482459 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27482459 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27475020 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27475020 [4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27418894 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27418894 [5] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27408216 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27408216
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indymike 5y ago

> I replaced Google search with Brave and DDG, I've been using Brave's new search engine for the last three weeks and it is extremely good. This is the first time a non-Google search engine has made it a week in my daily workflow (software development + own multiple businesses).