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Please don’t fall for the villianization that the media adopt to push an agenda. Energy is a fundamental need for society to flourish. Fossil fuels have one o

• Goety 5y ago
  >Energy is a fundamental need for society to flourish. Energy is needed for basic modern services. Humans have survived a long time without electricity. It could be simpler to 'go without' or 'find a workaround' for a lot of conveniences if we were serious at combating climate change.
  • nitrogen 5y ago
    Not for eight billion people. Just look at what happens when we stop loading trucks for a little while. Now imagine if you expanded all that "going without" to everything that uses energy. You'd have days at most before mass chaos.
    • Goety 5y ago
      Can we engineer a human backbone behind these services to be resistant to corruption and complacency for security sake? We did an ok job with nuclear weapons but only just.
  • varajelle 5y ago
    In what condition? Without the energy of the fossil fuel, lots of the energy came from human labor. Without it, we wouldn't have gotten rid of slavery. Most people were doing a manual labor, which is also more discriminatory to the weaker ones (e.g. woman) So your just suggesting we go back to the middle ages? No, thank you.
    • Goety 5y ago
      >In what condition? Well that's the question right? Without nuclear there may not be a middle ground as an option for a lot of people. >So your just suggesting we go back to the middle ages? No, thank you. I'm not suggesting anything, simply declaring it an option.
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  • enaaem 5y ago
    Before electricity we would burn wood to not die in winter. We don’t have any forests left to do that.
    • adrianN 5y ago
      Luckily nowadays we have clean sources of energy, so there is no need to go back to burning wood.
• adrianN 5y ago
  Which part of the statement that fossil fuels have been subsidized directly and by not paying for their externalities is wrong?
  • DisjointedHunt 5y ago
    I didn’t say it’s wrong. I said it villianizes those fuels. We needed fuels as a society for those 3000 mile flights over the pacific that ships your iPhone here. Energy “subsidies” are a strategic investment in securing your lifestyle. Just look at Europe right now as they head into winter with sky high natural gas prices. They’d go ahead an strike any deal that secures their supplies so they do t freeze half to death like they did with Russia. Energy is a strategic asset and simply saying “it gets subsidized” makes it sound like charity.
    • raverbashing 5y ago
      > I said it villianizes those fuels. Oh no, heavily polluting (and not only CO2) energy sources are being villanized... Yes, yes, I am going to villanize Coal, which spews more radioactivity than nuclear. Natural Gas, Gasoline, Oil, are "ok"ish. Not coal.
    • Oddskar 5y ago
      I think you've somehow missed the vital part: our lifestyle is not sustainable. We shouldn't aim to sustain something that simply cannot continue.
      • DisjointedHunt 5y ago
        Oh, i didn't miss that part, i think you may have missed my assertion that Energy is crucial to flourish. One may see a society "Flourish" by innovating their way out of an unsustainable path. Everything we consider advanced tech today is built on an economy made possible by vast, cheap and accessible energy sources such as the ones we're dissing. I agree that we need to stop using energy sources in a way that threatens our existence. But i assert that there are massive benefits we have to be thankful for as well.
• vmchale 5y ago
  > Fossil fuels have one of the highest energy densities and hence have been used for ages. We have much to be thankful for thanks to fossil fuels being around. far lower than nuclear
• 08-15 5y ago
  > Fossil fuels have one of the highest energy densities What? The energy density of primordial fuels is six orders of magnitude higher!