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I Miss the Old Internet (2019)
- neonate 5y agohttp://web.archive.org/web/20211019081252/http://misc-stuff.terraaeon.com/articles/miss-old-internet.html/ http://web.archive.org/web/20211019081252/http://misc-stuff.... https://archive.md/2sOOm https://archive.md/2sOOm
- 8bitsrule 5y agoIt's still out there, now and then ... I ran into this old-timer last week: http://polkas.nl/ http://polkas.nl/ Often when Firefox complains about a page with a security problem it can't resolve, I can just switch to http:// http:// and ... yep, it's 'clearnet', problem solved.
- DeathArrow 5y agoIt was harder to find porn in the old Internet and it was of lower quality. We are much better now.
- DeathArrow 5y agoPeople equate Internet with the Web and Google Chrome. But it was much more than that. Usenet groups, IRC. I've spent countless days chatting with people over IRC.
- mdoms 5y agoI cannot recommend strongly enough using Million Short to search the web for these kinds of websites. It's a search engine that allows you to filter out commercial results and also filter out the top one million biggest websites. https://millionshort.com/ https://millionshort.com/
- pengaru 5y agoUnfortunately it's just a blank page with js disabled/noscript.
- bm3719 5y agoAnother option is wiby, which filters out anything with JS in it. I go there when I want to pretend it's still 1999. https://wiby.me/ https://wiby.me/
- busymom0 5y agoWhy's the font so tiny?
- mdoms 5y agoHow would I know?
- emersonrsantos 5y agoI miss the old internet too!
- quaintdev 5y agoso that you can create a better future.
- diveanon 5y agoWhat’s sad is that most of the developing world is already locked in to a version of the internet that is essential just facebook
- 29athrowaway 5y agoAt least MySpace was more customizable.
- Sohcahtoa82 5y agoSome poor SOB discovered they loved building web pages when they customized their MySpace page, and now they spend their days in stand-ups, wondering what went wrong.
- carabiner 5y agoAll nostalgia is just a longing for youth.
- sodality2 5y agoI'd modify that to be "a longing to be younger" or just in general an earlier time. You can be young and have nostalgia for when you were really young.
- silisili 5y agoNot sure. I am nostalgic about a lot of things, but don't feel like I'm longing for youth. Like, I want the world to be about like it was as a teenager, but I don't want to be a teenager again. I want to be me now in that world, if that makes sense.
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- nyx 5y agoI think that's a fine way to characterize nostalgia, but it seems like a needlessly reductive, even perhaps dismissive, way to respond to the author's point of view. I think there are plenty of reasons to dislike the direction the Web has taken since its inception, and many of them are more substantial than just nostalgia for times past.
- sergiotapia 5y agoNo, some things really were just that much better back in the day. Gaming for example, is now a science and extracting as much attention as possible from the equation. Every interaction, every button press, every design choice is made to get your dollars and grab your attention for as long as possible. Watch a few years worth of GDC top talks to get sick to your stomach.
- magpi3 5y agoSomeone once pointed out to me that Transformers cartoons are essentially toy commercials. I know this now but my twelve year blissfully did not. So maybe you are just referring to the loss of innocence that comes from biting a fruit from the tree of knowledge, because corporations have always been scamming to separate you from your money.
- oenetan 5y agoSite down for anyone or just me? https://archive.md/2sOOm https://archive.md/2sOOm
- busymom0 5y agoYea, HN traffic took it down.
- topkai22 5y agoMe too, it was personal, whimsical, and serendipitous. It was also a lot of work, and visions of “success” were different. On the work side, creators had to work to produce the content, but consumers had to work harder to find it. I had a physical “yellow pages of the internet” book in the mid 90s. You’d look up the subject then go to a site and surf around till you found what you were looking for (or not.) The expectations were also different, especially for creators. If you put content up and got 100 page hits that was really cool. 10,000 was amazing. Reaching an audience that big would have required pre-internet would have required formally publishing something, which wasn’t easy. The sheer novelty of being a “normal” person and connecting with / influencing 100 or 10,000 strangers was a huge selling point. I think the massive scale and reach of the biggest properties/stars has devalued the type of content creation the author talks about in the eyes of the creators. It’s just harder to get excited about 100 or even 1000 page views when you know people are getting millions or billions, and when your low quality Facebook post can get 100s of likes. I really miss the old internet, but I also know I don’t have the time or capacity to consistently go back to the old “surfing” metaphor- search is too good and convenient, and I don’t think others are going to be willing to pour their time and souls into passion projects like they used to. Perhaps it’ll be a new frontier (VR?) that captures that sense of newness and whimsy next.
- jimmygrapes 5y agoI have noticed the same sense that hundreds or thousands of views or likes or whatever is unfairly compared to those others with the tens of thousands and millions, with one critical exception: forum karma. It seems like when people communicate to each other through text, even a few down votes are often cause for extraordinary negative reaction on the part of the creator. So much so that it's a rule to not complain about it, here. Assuming I'm not alone in witnessing this, I wonder two things: 1) what makes a forum environment different? and, 2) do people who react poorly to negative karma (or meager positive karma) ALSO expect high engagement IF they create on other platforms? For example, I present a hypothetical person on reddit with accumulated "high" karma (say, high 8000s). This person also has 10k followers on TikTok, 3 YouTube videos with 6 digit views, and several viral tweets. They get -5 karma on a random reddit post and freak out. What makes the raw number differ between platforms? Is it raw number or a ratio of potential to actual? (yes I know this is the epitome of a strawman, but I'm basing it off of a cohort of roughly similar real people)
- fuckcensorship 5y agoCheck out Marginalia[1]: >The search engine calculates a score that aggressively favors text-heavy websites, and punishes those that have too many modern web design features. I have found some excellent websites using this which I would have never found via Google or elsewhere on the modern web. Very reminiscent of exploring the “Old Internet.” [1]: https://search.marginalia.nu/ https://search.marginalia.nu/
- HenryKissinger 5y agoI don't understand this obsession with text-heavy content.
- ddingus 5y agoMany people enjoy reading. Text is super easy to reuse, manipulate, cut, copy, paste...
- pxc 5y agoOne of the virtues of this very website is its text-heavy design.
- ineedasername 5y agoIt's a proxy indicator for a certain character of website. As well as a direct indicator of the content itself.
- CIADidHarryHolt 5y agoText heavy usually means content heavy. A disturbing amount of the web is "How To Make A Made for Adsense Clickbait Page In 2021" containing lots and lots of pictures to pad out the ads and amazon referral links, but very little prose.
- asxd 5y agoI'm not sure it's an obsession, but I do like the simplicity of just text content. There's fewer distractions and annoyances (off the top my head: the aggressively annoying habit some sites have of modifying the DOM a few seconds after the page loads, seemingly timed just right so that the link you just clicked hits something else entirely). There's lots of good things about the media-heavy interactive websites of today, but sometimes it's nicer to just read what people wrote. As mentioned before, this site is a good example.
- User23 5y agoSeptember never ended. It really was qualitatively different before and it’s impossible to explain to those who weren’t there in the before times. There was so much more to the ‘net than the web.
- gnarbarian 5y agoWe're starting a new one. https://urbit.org/blog/urbit-for-normies https://urbit.org/blog/urbit-for-normies
- gardnr 5y agoIt's a decentralised personal server platform, for those that don't want to read the recipe-webpage style back story to understand what it is.
- gnarbarian 5y agoit's so much more than that https://urbit.org/blog/precepts https://urbit.org/blog/precepts
- pmlnr 5y agoHell no.
- gnarbarian 5y agoself selection and barriers to entry were a critical part of the early internet's culture. I see this as a feature.
- pmlnr 5y agourbit is anything but the early internet. The early internet was of tinkering, of interest, and of collaboration - the very purpose of www is collaboration. urbit is a megalomaniac deluge of madness with it's idea to start from scratch only to end up with the exact same things but now named differently.
- qPM9l3XJrF 5y agoIn absolute terms, the internet has many many more people now than it did in the early days. If you want to create a small quirky community, you only need a tiny fraction of those people to sign up. So in theory the modern day could be a Cambrian explosion of tiny communities. Is this the case? If not why not? Maybe there are a lot of them hiding and they fear eternal september? I can think of a few but maybe I shouldn't be linking them...
- kingofclams 5y agoI think the biggest issue is the majority of internet users don't want to join small communities, just one website or app that has all their friends and family. Aside from this, the cost of making a big (the main goal of every social network is go big or go home) social network is increasing as "big" gets bigger and safety requirements get harder to meet.
- qPM9l3XJrF 5y agoDesire for friends & family doesn't explain the popularity of twitter, reddit, or youtube.
- lax0 5y agoThanks to the platforms solving for that side of things, the niches happen within the larger platforms now, like “health insta,” “cryptotwitter,” “yogatok.” I really do miss the obscure forums of the early 2000s though. The more intimate connections with an anon don’t happen as often (anecdotally, for me) in these subgroups of the big networks.
- rchaud 5y agoUnfortunately, these channels always have ulterior motives because of the social network's ability to create stars, and have them cash in via influencer deals or other benefits of online fame.
- emptyparadise 5y agoDid people really want one big website or were they railroaded into it by a handful of big corporations that stood to benefit from it?
- rweichler 5y agoI was on the Internet before it was cool.
- ineedasername 5y agoUnlikely. The internet started with cool. It has only become less cool over time as familiarity and it's own evolution made it mundabde.
- fedbook 5y agoJust beings a devils advocate for a second - People exposing personal details to the public can be very bad and make them victims of untold numbers of what should be crimes. We know this from just the data and privacy nightmare unfolding before us. It's normal to romanticism the past, but there's a certain comfort in security with less of clear open blogs.
- ghaff 5y agoCertainly for some people. But for many who are on the web professionally, it can be hard to separate professional and personal identities. And especially once people are public in other ways, such as by owning homes and, at least until recently (sometimes) having a landline, it doesn't take a private investigator to link some facts about someone to a great deal of information--at least some of which is often public by law. A great deal of the mainstream Internet was not anonymous/pseudonymous.
- dang 5y agoDiscussed at the time (of the article, not the old internet); I Miss the Old Internet - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21402518 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21402518 - Oct 2019 (306 comments) Other missings: I Miss the Old Internet (2019) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27491537 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27491537 - June 2021 (424 comments) Tell HN: I miss the old internet - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17334552 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17334552 - June 2018 (221 comments)
- odonnellryan 5y agoI miss when -- wasn't autocorrected to –.
- chunes 5y agoYou can find a lot of these old-style websites at https://neocities.org/browse?sort_by=last_updated https://neocities.org/browse?sort_by=last_updated Many of them are created by teenagers and young adults which is nice to see. Web rings are making a comeback as an alternative to search.
- Gigachad 5y agoNeocities for me is like picking up a game I used to love as a child. There are about 20 minutes of "OMG yes, this is what I have been wanting" and then you very quickly get bored and realize there isn't actually very much special or desirable about this old stuff. It was so great back then because it was new and novel. Once it stops being something to explore and be surprised by, the value is gone.
- kixiQu 5y agoI don't find this is true because I see the updates from the people I follow as they're adding stuff over time. For casual browsing without building relationships or a follow-list, I agree it's not as good as e.g. Reddit or whatever.
- Sohcahtoa82 5y agoYeah, it's like when Blizzard brought out World of Warcraft Classic for the people clamoring for Vanilla WoW... Most people didn't remember that classic WoW was awful compared to modern WoW. It was ground-breaking for its time, for sure, but there were so many features added in later expansions that made major differences in quality of life. One of the things that made WoW so great was how massive and open the world was. In 2004, it was incredibly impressive that you could travel across a continent and never have a single loading screen, and that you could have over 100 players all in one spot. But over 15 years later, those defining features were no longer defining. Everything that made WoW great in 2004 is now basically the baseline of expectations for any new game.
- rchaud 5y agoNah, trying to browse individual Neocities sites always feels like a chore. There are too many sites that have barely any content. I'm talking about 1 line of HTML. It reminds me of those online dating profiles where there's no description besides "I'll fill this out later".
- human 5y agoI miss the old internet too but I can’t connect to your blog so I understand why we lost it.
- busymom0 5y agoNot my blog but looks like HN traffic took it down. Here's archive: https://archive.md/2sOOm https://archive.md/2sOOm
- Causality1 5y agoI just miss organization. Everything feels like a mess now. Content is either in an endless scroll or it's only accessible through a search box and you have absolutely no idea whether the site doesn't have the content you wanted or if you just failed to use the correct terms. Increased reliance on CDNs and cross-site content has simultaneously made web pages expire faster than ever and made them harder to archive. Multimedia is also a shadow of what it once was. Twenty years ago it was common for material to be presented in a way that integrated text, sound, pictures, and video together in an easily navigable way. A page on, say, Lewis and Clark would offer you an audio introduction, an interactive map that brought up text journal entries for clickable points of interest, and relevant pictures. Now your only option is a web page with embedded pictures which may as well be a paper encyclopedia entry, or a video that may or may not offer you any useful way to navigate it aside from jumping around at random and most certainly doesn't give you rich annotations throughout.
- machiaweliczny 5y agoMonopoly of google shows hard with this inability do do filtering/blacklisting. As European I hope EU forces them to be user friendly or just ban em.
- cheschire 5y agoOr how an interesting headline is often now just an embedded podcast.
- holler 5y ago
- colechristensen 5y agoMissing how the Internet used to be is as old as the Internet. Over years and decades it has been constantly changing.
- DarknessFalls 5y agoThere were several iterations of commercialization that took away the quaintness of the internet, little by little. But some innovations along the way also counterbalanced it with new ways for content producers to express themselves. When Flash was originally released (by Macromedia), there were so many unique sites with really great interfaces. Nowadays, everything seems to follow the long, scrolling mono design. I loved what people could create in those early days of Flash without the restrictions of html. There are some sites I wish I could go back and revisit because they would be impressive by today's standards. Before MySpace, there was some personalization with Angelfire and Geocities. Every once in a while, you'd find a really interesting site that someone had created. That era around '95, '96 is probably what I miss the most.
- holler 5y ago> I loved what people could create in those early days of Flash without the restrictions of html. I still remember the first time I discovered http://eye4u.com http://eye4u.com and watched their incredible flash intro. At the time I thought it was one of, if not the best flash intro on the web, and it instilled a sense excitement for what was possible with Flash. I agree it was refreshing and exciting to see all of the creative designs and ideas one could express using Flash. If only they hadn't added those pesky "skip intro" buttons! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOUw2tF7agM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOUw2tF7agM
- DarknessFalls 5y agoDennis Interactive was the site I would go back and visit again and again, picking apart the way they handled transitions and animated text. https://youtu.be/Z3PbiIUrZRc https://youtu.be/Z3PbiIUrZRc
- holler 5y agoSo cool! I love "this site features music by Hive". Flash really unlocked the creative potential for UI design, which these days feels increasingly banal. It made UI more of an "experience" with sites like this.
- paulpauper 5y agoVery Online people complain about social media censorship, but the entire internet, overall, has gone downhill and is full of censorship, not just social media sites. The problem is spammers, trolls, and opportunists ruined and squandered any good will and presumption of innocence, so everyone pays and is presumed guilty. Forums have very strict registration and posting requirement, unlike 10- years ago. Many sites req. phone number to do anything Reddit subs have very high comment and post karma thresholds in order to post, tons of censorship and ghosting, especially for popular communities. And also arbitrary rules that get your posts auto-ghosted, sometimes without an explanation. Twitter also ghosts posts and users too even though the liar CEO and said it doesn't. Youtube allows blatant crypto scams to run, but bans accounts and removed vidoes for arbitrary and automated copyright claims or 'misinformation'. Low trust=worse quality internet experience.
- snuser 5y agoI remember the days growing on dialup using AOL and 'WoW(? i think)' this is much better there's collaborative fiction and art all over the place, people easily talking and sharing their work and hobbies from homebrewing and math to the wookiepedia, gamejams, SCP, game mods, whatever is it kids do in minecraft and roblox even when it comes the mainstream there's stuff like (blockclub, the athletic ..etc ..etc ..etc) If anything I think what all of these "old internet" articles illude to is the authors feeling nostalgic for when they were part of what they considered to be counter-culture or lost interests they want to burry themselves in
- tigerlily 5y ago> I don't use Facebook, instragram, twitter or well most social media This could be in and of itself countercultural, and I think perhaps the walled gardens are our thing to rage against today.
- ms123 5y agolist of places that have that old internet feel: https://alex.flounder.online/tech/bigandsmall.gmi https://alex.flounder.online/tech/bigandsmall.gmi
- daverol 5y agoFrom the site referenced by that post: "And every few days, I still get a hit with news.ycombinator.com (no subpages, just the front page) in the referer header. And my heart rate kicks up: what if I'm on the front page? And I go to the front page, and, much to my relief, I'm nowhere to be seen. I've dodged the Cathedral for another day." And later a good credo for net users: (this site) "doesn't exist for you to debate over, or moral-grandstand about yourself. It doesn't exist to vindicate you, or validate your preconceived notions of who I am, of who I could become. It doesn't exist for you. It exists for me."
- 0dayz 5y agoHonestly most of the old internet was kind of crap, of course we have this nostalgic feeling for it because of aesthetic and personal reasons. But let's not pretend it was fun having a subpar experience in most areas. For me I liked the 200X web because communities were flourish but was insulated and wasn't poisoned with nonsense (politics, extreme trolling, doxxing, and pseudosocial relationships).
- rchaud 5y agoYeah I miss the 2000s era of small, community-focused forums/message boards built using tools like phpBB. It was great to be able to have unique identities on one forum, say for sports, and another entirely different site's forum for say, music. Fortunately, some boards like the Rate Your Music one still mimic the feel of those times. Reddit and Facebook however killed most forums and blog comments sections.
- 0dayz 5y agoI'm gonna go on a stretch and argue that while it is true reddit/facebook/twitter killed these communities, I would argue it really had to do with the fact that: A: these communities never evolved with the times or tried to preserve it's relevancy to it's users - in other words don't touch if it ain't broke. B: Because of how insular the communities were - I think the admin always either assumed it was a small-time gig or that the community will stay together forever and ever C: These communities relied heavily on too specific fads (think Naruto fan sites or tumblr like quirk) - compared to start with a fad and then expand Essentially when you look at successful communities say Newgrounds and compare it with Ebaums World, you'll notice that Newgrounds while being slow it has always tried to stay relevant and branching out while Ebaums world just stayed the same never changing or adjusting and today all but a joke compared to it's former self. I think the fundamental flaw with (unchecked/nai cross-polination though is that while it is highly successful if done right, allowing unfeathered "all speech is free speech" MO that Twitter, reddit and even Facebook prided itself around 2010-2012 we know how poluted it can become with bad actors to the point it's a systemic problem / literally a threat to business model of said social media (for instance I know youtube's algorithm has been blamed for why extremist content garned such quick and effective attention).
- mkl95 5y agoI can't say I disagree. Monetization slowly disfigured the internet beyond recognition during the last 15 years.
- rchaud 5y agoEverything is a shopping mall now. - Watching a YT video? Buy this VPN/Wallet/Food service - Reading this recipe? Click any of the 100 Amazon Affiliate links dotting this post - Reading a good article? Sign up for my premium Substack!
- sharikous 5y agoThe one thing that I don't stand is how they are closing up IPv6. It should have cheap public addresses and represent the future. Anyone should be able to host, just like the old times. Instead they put NATs even in IPv6 "for my security"
- kkoncevicius 5y agoI don't miss the old internet. It was full of personal hard to read websites where you find some useful articles but a lot of fluff too. It is the same today, not much changed. Its hard to find people who produce focused content. The useful stuff is always mixed with posts about politics, personal stories, and status updates. Same on blogs, same on twitter, same on youtube. The internet I like to see is where you can follow someones work and ideas without being sidelined. If a person is active in a few different fields then two separate websites are in order. My feeling is that this has not changed between the "old internet" and the "new". There is a small fraction people producing content in this way. Maybe today its a bit easier to find them.
- rchaud 5y agoI never see the kind of performative posting on those personal sites that I do on Twitter or FB. The difference is simple. Personal websites don't have "like/share/retweet" buttons that incentivize playing to the crowd instead of being true to oneself.
- DeathArrow 5y agoOn one hand the author complains that niche info is to be found just on niche websites, drowned in the millions commercial websites and apps used by billions of people. And he complains that the niche info is not accessed by many people. On the other hand, he envisions the internet of 90s with Geocities and most websites being personal catering to a particular niche. But if the Internet today was like the internet of the 90s, it would have been an empty place since the billions of today's users are not interested in what the few Internet users were interested in the 90s. I too missed the early Internet (the first time I used Internet was at University in 1998 and by 2000 I had home Internet which was quite a thing in my poor country.) but I don't think is feasible to have it now. I liked the early Internet because most users were literate both in the technical and classic ways, they were helpful and each one of that had a particular interest in something. Information sharing and communication was quite a thing. Today most of the trouble is not that information is scarce, it is that you have to filter interesting information from junk and the signal to noise ratio is very poor. In the 90s the signal to noise ratio was quite good.
- DeathArrow 5y agoOne good thing was less censorship, no corporation deciding what people should be able to see or not and much less fighting and political activism.
- unity1001 5y agoFalse proposition. The voice of the individual was also drowned out in early 1990s and 2000s internet - the majority of the web belonged to corporate entities, which did not even stoop down so much as to put a comment form under the articles they were publishing or contact form or email in their about pages. 1990s and 2000s internet were extension of the old world in which the people were voiceless takers who were labeled 'consumers' and whose job was to buy whatever the dominant corporate cartels were selling. So much that even a corporation asking rare feedback from its customers, or gasp responding to feedback or complaints, ever, was major and people would talk about it and spread it through word of mouth: "You hear, bigCorpX actually cares for its customers". Of course they didn't care a zit about the customers - its just that sometimes it was necessary to pretend to appease regulators. In that corporate internet, the voice of the individual he speaks of was limited to the fringe corners of online forums. Launched by vbulletin, phpBB and the variety. You would find people there, do back and forth and actually be able to express your opinion which you could never express anywhere on internet, and you would feel like you were interacting with the internet. Even Open Source was still a fringe world, living in the corners of Internet and tech which was still dominated by proprietary giants under the tradition that was inherited from early 1980s and 90s. You could never imagine that Open Source would be the basis of almost everything like it is now, if you were participating in it back in early 2000s. It was a fringe world, and we were fringe people, dabbling in our pursuits in the corners of the internet left to us by the gigantic, traditional corporations. Today its the opposite. People decide the agenda. If people think something about a corporation, the corporation ends up having to act, leave aside 'caring'. Even further, there's this new 'community' thing, in which corporations start describing themselves and their customers/users as an 'ecosystem', and start incorporating them into their processes. Its new, but it shows how much the internet has become. Creating communities, making people talk to each other, something which required sufficient technical knowledge, patience, and sufficient monthly disposable income to dump on creating and maintaining an online forum with something like vbulletin or phpBB is done by just creating a Facebook group or any other social network group. By publishing in places like Medium, Quora, even Facebook or Twitter, your voice can reach millions of people online, instead of reaching the few dozen people who were regulars of the particular subforum of that online forum you frequented. People can just start any type of online business, and make a decent living, from writing in online publications to making videos to podcasts to creating and selling software, SaaS services, even just writing about technical matters. Back in the day he speaks of, internet was a hobby which you did after work hours at your home, for 1-2 hours. ... So no. He is factually wrong, and his approach seems to be just based on nostalgia for a 'better' time, which was not 'better' at all.
- betwixthewires 5y ago> ...it's getting increasingly hard to find them through the commercial smog thrown up by Google. I agree with this statement 100%. I miss the old internet too, not because of the simpler interaction specifically, but because the current state of availability of information is massively broken due to commercialization. The internet has been turned into a 5 store strip mall, everything has a rent seeker, a middleman or a gate keeper. It is increasingly difficult to find any information online that has not been created for the sake of commercialization and delivered to you for a price.
- erulabs 5y agoThis is exactly what I’m trying to fix - and why I quit a job at Stripe to do it. We had mainframes, we had data centers, we have the cloud - and now folks are talking about fixing the internet with blockchains. What we really need is more -server software- in the hands of every day people. The first web browser was also a web server - and today almost every human alive has a web-client in their pocket - but server software is for nerds, highly paid working at Facebook or Amazon. Home hosting, self hosting, hobby sites - it’s not just some fond memory to me - it’s a legitimate possibility for human communication that was swept away by the vast monetary power of advertising. And it doesn’t have to be weird text only blogs about science fiction. It’s time to bring the internet back home!
- h0nd 5y ago|Home hosting, self hosting, hobby sites This is now replaced by third parties with dependence.
- ASalazarMX 5y ago> You're seeing this page because you tried to access MayVaneDay with a referer of "misc-stuff.terraaeon.com". This probably means Hacker News is at it again. This article keeps getting published at least once a year, and every time it brings with it a wave of attention from "techbros". These are beyond irritating to deal with. I don't have the extra mental energy to deal with unironic Node.js developers. I wouldn't think Node.js would be associated with HN, seeing the criticism it gets here.
- gaws 5y agoLOL at MayVaneDay once again getting the HN hug on her server: > You're seeing this page because you tried to access MayVaneDay with a referer of "misc-stuff.terraaeon.com". This probably means Hacker News is at it again. This article keeps getting published at least once a year, and every time it brings with it a wave of attention from "techbros". These are beyond irritating to deal with. I don't have the extra mental energy to deal with unironic Node.js developers.