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This resume got me an interview
- amarshall 5y agoActual source rather than Twitter thread about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/comments/qhg5jo/this_resume_got_me_an_interview/ https://www.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/comments/qhg5jo/this...
- dredmorbius 5y agohttps://old.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/comments/qhg5jo/this_resume_got_me_an_interview/ https://old.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/comments/qhg5jo/this... And for the twitter thread: https://nitter.kavin.rocks/Coding_Career/status/1454293034179317764 https://nitter.kavin.rocks/Coding_Career/status/145429303417...
- dang 5y agoOk, we've changed to the Reddit thread from https://twitter.com/Coding_Career/status/1454293034179317764 https://twitter.com/Coding_Career/status/1454293034179317764. Thanks!
- rideg 5y agoI think it is because of the Applicant Tracking Systems. They scan for keywords and if you have them your resume gets better ranking. The actual recruiter is working only from resumes that the ATS recommends.
- postalrat 5y agoI've worked for a few companies that develop Application Tracking Systems. Sometimes they may have a huge database of people or an account somewhere that lets them search for people that may fit the role. But the candidates found through those searches are typically pretty low quality. Someone who applies for a specific position is just going to be checked if they meet the requirements and look like a good candidate.
- trinovantes 5y agoI've heard of people stuffing non-human readable keywords (tiny font, white text, etc.) to bypass the automated systems
- Avalaxy 5y agoWhy would anyone need to? I get called by recruiters 3 times per day, and I'm nobody special.
- AussieWog93 5y ago>I'm nobody special From your LinkedIn: - You have two degrees, including one in an incredibly "hot" field right now. - You've co-founded two companies. - You were accepted into a Microsoft program as a student. - You are quite good looking. Ignoring your local reputation, that alone puts you in the top few percent of candidates.
- the_only_law 5y agoYeah I can get plenty of spam too, for jobs I don’t want…
- hn8788 5y agoI read that that's one of the reasons sites started making you fill out their online form, in addition to uploading your resume. I've also heard of students using that method when they have a teacher who is a stickler about wordcount for assignments, and they are maybe 1-2 sentences short of the cutoff.
- userbinator 5y agoEssentially SEO tactics? I'm not surprised.
- mkl95 5y agoI think it mostly means recruiters have a particularly limited attention span. Most likely they skim resumes in a few seconds scanning the headers/titles of each section, and they don't read the content. Not sure if reading it would make a significant difference, since they usually have very limited to no knowledge about the problem domain and stacks they are hiring for.
- 1cvmask 5y agoDiscussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29024746 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29024746
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- LudwigNagasena 5y agoDeveloper’s resume with experience at Instagram and Microsoft and a degree from Berkeley passed automatic screening tools.
- netizen-936824 5y agoShocking
- ghaff 5y agoThe OP is totally right. It's 100% impractical that a first-level screen is going to do the investigation needed to uncover deliberate trolling and, if the pedigree is interesting enough, it's likely going to be passed on. I'm not sure why anyone thinks this would be an unreasonable approach unless the alternative is only hire referrals and people you personally know--which has tons of problems on its own.
- treis 5y ago"Spread Herpes STD to 60% of intern team" In the recruiters defense, the resume was that of a Unicorn that shits gold bricks. You'd probably not read about their intern experience and/or overlook crude jokes too if you found one of those in the forest.
- zhte415 5y agoDid you read the CV? It takes... a minute. And the next step was an appointment for a chat. That is bad.
- 88913527 5y agoThis is just encouraging resumes to contain the words "Instagram" and "Microsoft" even if you didn't work there-- and there's plenty of valid use cases for that (ex: Microsoft Word in a skills section wouldn't be completely out there for any office worker, including SWEs). I've found when my resume is optimized for ATS software rather than human readers it absolutely performs better (eg: getting a verbal offer).
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- bluedays 5y agoIf he has the skills it seems logical that he should get the job
- blunte 5y agoSure, but if that resume ever got to a team for other devs to review to decide whether to interview, the bullshit ones would be tossed.
- ALittleLight 5y agoI've done between one and two hundred interviews at a FAANG company and have skimmed two or three resumes and read none. I can't recall hearing resumes mentioned in any interview debriefs other than for things like "This is an entry position and he has X years of experience so he probably isn't going to learn too much more in the next one or two years." Maybe the hiring managers are reading the resumes. I'm pretty confident that the interviewers aren't spending a lot of time with them. (At least from my small slice of experience). My general approach to interviewing is that I have an hour to figure out whether the person is smart, honest, and would be good to work with. I don't see how the resume has any relation to those things. It doesn't matter to me whether they have no prior experience, are a high school dropout, etc.
- bambataa 5y agoAnd how do people get to be at the stage of being interviewed by you? They submit a resume and it gets assessed by someone… Just because that person isn’t you doesn’t meant that resumes aren’t key.
- WoahNoun 5y agoThis is also my experience. Resume is just a filter to starting the next round of a rather rigorous interview process. If I'm doing a technical interview, I just want to see how you think through the questions. If it's non-technical, your background will appear in your stories.
- dtoms 5y ago...and that isn't a problem? because folks decades of experience is irrelevant to their ability to memorize whatever it's required to be a widget in a widget factory? just because the process works for FAANG doesn't mean its good or right for other companies.
- otras 5y agoI enjoyed patio11’s take on this and the subtweet (quoted tweet?) thread: https://mobile.twitter.com/patio11/status/1454506353892855808 https://mobile.twitter.com/patio11/status/145450635389285580... TL;DR: Pedigree is heavily used when filtering candidates, and different stages of the recruiting process would catch jokes at different levels.
- redmaverick 5y agoWhy is this so surprising. I am pretty sure this would pass human recruiters and even past devs pretty easily. If I had to skim through many resumes I would have selected this one for one simple reason. Worked at 1. Instagram. 2. Zillow. 3. LinkedIn. 4. Microsoft. Graduated from Berkeley with 3.94 GPA. Each of this is an accomplishment. Very clickbaity title. I thought the guy just added buzzwords like blockchain, big data, hadoop etc and then suddenly got more offers.
- reaperducer 5y agoWhy is this so surprising It's not surprising. But what it does is illustrate the absurdity of the current hiring system that some companies choose to employ. Any company that works like this is not a company worth working for. Yes, I include FAANGs in that, too. If a company automates its hiring process to this degree, what makes you think any other part of the company is going to be fair to its employees? We see this more and more as employees with actual real grievances at major tech firms come forward and tell their stories, which always seem to include "...and then HR blew me off." Sadly, no shit. If they don't know how to hire people, they certainly don't know what to do with them when something goes wrong.
- throwaway2331 5y agoNo one knows how to hire. It's all bullshit, besides "do I believe we can work together?" I've been on the interviewer/hiring side, and frankly the only thing I looked at were: schools/companies/noteworthy positions. 5 seconds. If the resume was dogshit, I wouldn't know. No one reads em. It's probably all lies any way. Usually a single 30 min conversation over the phone is enough to decide whether or not someone "fits." And that's basically just talking shop/getting a simple convo going. Don't take it too seriously.
- Aeolun 5y agoYou have such a different way of looking at resumes… I practically ignore schools and companies and just look at what they actually did there (wherever it was).
- lxe 5y agoDid the author think that recruiters would carefully peruse every single inbound resume? That they would manually construct individualized emails? That people in tech companies don't optimize their workflows using automated tools? Gasp! What did they expect? Also... let's say I'm a recruiter or a hiring manager, and I get trolled by you for no reason, while I'm already having a hard time picking the right inbound candidates, I'll somehow flag you so you don't waste my time later.
- Jaygles 5y agoThat the world hasn't lost its mind? How is throwing honest effort into a meat grinder ever ideal? If something is important, it deserves attention.
- AussieWog93 5y agoAs someone who's been on the other side, it's difficult to be empathetic and patient when you're being hounded by hundreds of people who want something from you but don't have anything to offer.
- reaperducer 5y agoDid the author think that recruiters would carefully peruse every single inbound resume? Isn't that what they get paid for?
- ekianjo 5y agoErm no. You need to do your job efficiently too.
- reaperducer 5y agoThat's not efficiency. That's cutting corners and letting the best qualified candidates get away. Hardly doing a service to the employer, or doing what you're paid for. Playing the "it doesn't scale" card is just code for lazy and incompetent.
- blagie 5y agoTo be honest, this resume would likely pass my hiring screen. It's obviously a person with a hilarious sense of humor, who thinks out-of-the-box, and super-creative. If nothing else, they seem worth meeting. Interview would tell if it's a crazy person, someone who would burn my team, or exactly the type of person I'd want to hire. I've seen all three. I'll also mention: Humor isn't the same as fraud; a resume like this isn't taking itself very seriously, but isn't fraudulent. I've done things analogous to this before -- submitting things into highly-selective processes which obviously didn't take themselves seriously -- and I've had a pretty good hit rate too (they were impeccably honest; not the sort of thing which would slip through the cracks by accident).
- aahortwwy 5y ago> isn't fraudulent The author didn't work at the companies they listed.
- CalChris 5y agoI would like to think that the obvious comic bits like the Rick Rolling and the vodka shots makes it clear not to take the rest seriously. However we live in a world where disclosing a security hole gets a threatened prosecution from the Governor of Missouri. Was Sokal fraudulent in his publishing Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity? I would prefer to live in Sokal's world than in Parson's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair
- blagie 5y agoI think the word is "fit." When I submit something which shows my personality, it's a very fast way to figure out whether a place fits my personality. I tend to lead with who I am. Let's pretend this resume reflected my personality (it doesn't, but I've submitted things people would find equally inappropriate). There's a very quick screen on the other side. Let's say you submitted something like this. - If they say "this is fraud," it's probably Parson's world. You won't fit. - If they say "this is hilarious, let's talk to this guy," it probably is a fit. I tend to lead with who I am, quirks, warts, and all. It saves everyone a lot of time. I can think of one or two times it's turned off people or organizations I later wanted to work with, but just one or two times. I can think of many more times it's opened doors.
- Kranar 5y agoI don't see the real resume posted anywhere. Yes a resume lying about past experience working at Microsoft and other big tech companies with an almost 4.0 GPA from one of the top universities is more likely to get replies. Let's see what we're comparing this to and then we can make a judgement about it.
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- bawolff 5y agoIf you read the reddit post linked from twitter - that's their point https://www.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/comments/qhg5jo/this_resume_got_me_an_interview/ https://www.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/comments/qhg5jo/this... - despite the resume being very very clearly bullshit (one of the bullet points is: gave herpes to 60% of the interns!), nobody cares if you have FANNG on it.
- adrianb 5y agoThe point is that she gets called because of buzzwords such as Blockchain and AI and what have you. If the education and job experience is made up, how do you know you're not getting calls because you sent a fake CV mentioning great education and relevant past jobs?
- ghaff 5y agoIt's not that no one cares. It's that no one (or their algorithms) actually read anything beyond the headlines.
- bawolff 5y agoI would call that not caring.
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- bloodyplonker22 5y agoI once wrote a fake resume because I got annoyed at recruiters only looking for keywords on a resume. One line item on the resume was a claim that I could solve NP complete problems. I was hoping a recruiter would tell a technical manager that I had this skill.
- falcor84 5y agoWell, if you're ok with brute forcing it, then pretty much everyone can solve NP complete problems ;)
- idoubtit 5y agoI can solve some NP complete problems. Actually I did solve a few, meaning I used tools or wrote code that found optimal solutions. Recently, I used SAT solvers. NP-complete does not mean that any problem in this class is hard to solve, it's that the computational time of deterministic (non probabilistic) algorithms will grow fast (not polynomial).
- pjbeam 5y agoDid it ever come up?
- m0zg 5y agoAmateur: https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/57... This will bring his batting average to 150%.
- User23 5y agoLast time I went through a FAANG tier loop nobody that interviewed me had even looked at my résumé. And when I’ve been on the other side of the table I rarely gave them a glance either. Although I will say I’ve never once had a bad interview or work experience with a U of Waterloo graduate. They’re doing something wildly right up there. I’m not sure this is a good thing or a bad thing. In any event it’s clear to me that the sole purpose of a résumé is getting past the talent acquisition filter. Which is interesting since evidently they don’t read them either.
- gramie 5y ago> I’ve never once had a bad interview or work experience with a U of Waterloo graduate Well, one of the things they are doing is requiring a 95%+ average from HS graduates (we don't generally do SATs up here), along with scores in competitions like Descartes (for math) that UW runs for HS students. They can take the cream of the cream of the crop. Also a seasoned and fantastically well-regarded co-op program for most disciplines (all engineering programs are co-op). There is a lot more (and probably much that has changed since I graduated 35 years ago), but there must be a reason that Microsoft hires -- or did hire -- more grads from UW than from any other university.
- micromacrofoot 5y agothe fake experience is the reason, despite the buzzwords
- DrNuke 5y agoThis is cheeky tinderisation from the job hunter playing against pervasive crowdsourcing from employers, but employers still have the upper hand and will double down as soon as they find the job hunter trick out. Good for a laugh, albeit pretty sad and again proving bs is the quickest path to an interview with professional, hard-wired bs spouters.
- nharada 5y agoTo be fair if you put on a resume that you worked on VoldemortDB at LinkedIn I wouldn't bat an eye. I've seen way crazier internal tool names.
- kelp 5y agoVoldemort was a real thing at LinkedIn, and it was an effort led by Jay Kreps, CEO/Founder of Confluent and lead of the original Kafka team at LinkedIn.
- bhk 5y agoMaybe this is less of a satire of hiring practices than a satire of fickle tech trendiness. Like the $NOUN.js drinking game.
- PufPufPuf 5y agoVoldemortDB is actually real: https://www.project-voldemort.com/voldemort/ https://www.project-voldemort.com/voldemort/
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- zhte415 5y agoSuch an experiment is quite useful to add to one's CV.
- mcnamaratw 5y agoWell, of course. Hiring managers are leaving resume "screening" to algorithms and "only seeing the good ones." This is the natural result.
- Gunax 5y agoThe lesson is that prestige works. 'They must be doing something right if X did not fire them for 4 years'. In a sense, this is what we wanted--no buzzwords/technologies since it largely does not matter whether I have used your particular stack before. We asked them to hire on 'smarts' and the result is that whatever stack you worked with at MS is much less significant than the fact you worked at MS. As usual, prestige begets prestige. The real question is: if you don't have prestige, how do you obtain it?
- kazinator 5y ago> * Spread Herpes STD to 60% of Intern Team If you know state transition diagrams, it's good to mention that, indeed.
- ForHackernews 5y agoIf these companies are hiring for "blockchain" skills, then ethical flexibility and an ability to write overhyped nonsense seem like they might be big selling points.
- ghaff 5y agoYou do realize that not all blockchain, such as those business blockchains used for supply chain provenance, is crypto, NFTs, etc.?
- ForHackernews 5y agoYeah, but those are even sillier because a "private blockchain" is just a database with signed transactions.
- ghaff 5y agoSo? A lot of people who work with them call them distributed ledgers (and a fair number regret they got mixed in with crypto). I expect most of those people wouldn't have any objection to calling them a type of database with certain characteristics.
- baron816 5y agoIt's generally a bad idea to piss off recruiters. By making this public and humiliating those companies and their recruiters, that's what she's doing. It's not going to take very long for those recruiters' teams to figure out who responded to that resume. Some might even get fired.
- nowherebeen 5y agoI highly doubt that. How do you know that Angelina Lee is a real person? They already said the resume is fake. Obviously, the name will be fake as well.
- userbinator 5y agoIt's not going to take very long for those recruiters' teams to figure out who responded to that resume. Some might even get fired. Someone was incompetent and got caught, so maybe that's a good thing.
- baron816 5y agoGetting caught for being incompetent is one thing. Getting caught and having that shared all over the internet and embarrassing not just yourself, but your team and your company is another. When a company has a big outage, people on here will go on about not pointing fingers at any individual. We wouldn't say, "oh, must've been the new guy" or "the engineer who caused that sucks and should get fired." Well, I might argue that this is kind of like that for recruiters. If a recruiter failed to read a resume, is it because the recruiter is bad at their job, or their company has systems in place that are not fault tolerant? I don't know. Maybe they do just suck. But surely they can improve. It's hard to grow when you've been publicly humiliated.
- wiml 5y agoLet me get this straight, recruiters can't distinguish a resume filled with obvious bullshit keyword stuffing, but they are going to remember everyone who's embarrassed them on the internet so they can blacklist them? I really question the quality of coworkers you'd end up with, if you joined a company with recruiters like that.
- aurizon 5y agoNow we enter the analog of military defense speak, like ECM(Electronic Counter Measures), and ECCM,(Electronic Counter Counter Measures) and ECCCM.(Electronic Counter Counter Counter Measures) and more - do not laugh - it's true. Also called EC2M and EC3M https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_counter-countermeasure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_counter-countermeas... These ways to defeat the bots will engender ways to defeat the ways to defeat the bots, and so it will go on.... like ECCCM...
- nowherebeen 5y agoI think this just points out how most recruiters don't know what they are looking at in terms of resume. This resume is clearly bullshit. Terms like "React for AI on Blockchain" should already send off a red flag to any competent hiring manager.
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- j45 5y agoApplicant tracking systems generally have very basic keyword filters reminiscent of the early 2000’s. In part because of the lack of digital literacy in HR management in addition to finding and rolling out of technology.
- donretag 5y agoIn today's tech environment (in the US), are resumes actually getting rejected? My LinkedIn profile contains no buzzwords, or really anything past title and company name, not even my current employers, and I still get a ton of recruiter messages. Never worked at a FAANG, lots of small companies that never went anywhere (never lived in the Bay Area either). i can probably get an interview without even having a resume ready.
- kashkhan 5y agoDid this get removed from front page?
- user_7832 5y agoYes, I thought so as well! I had to Google it to come back.
- mikesabbagh 5y agoI think the name points to a female, and may be another reason of interest. I know many companies are looking to have females as part of the dev team to improve the ratio.
- sircastor 5y agoI didn’t understand for too long that I had to customize my resume to the dozen or so things that a job was looking for. It didn’t matter that I’d been doing this for 15 years, or that a human reading through it would see the good match. You will never get past the computer to the recruiter without having a well crafted resume specifically for the role you’re applying to.
- tzs 5y agoMany commenters are assuming this got interviews because of companies just looking for keywords. I'm not so sure. If I were hiring and this came across my desk there are really only three things I noticed that would probably make me unlikely to invite them for an interview. The bullet points for what they say they did at each job fall into two categories. 1. Claims that sound like real things one might do at the company. E.g., "Improved LinkedIn search algorithm efficiency and accuracy through the usage of VoldemortDB, Charizard, and Hadoop". Hadoop and VoldemortDB are real. I have never heard of Charizard other than as a Pokemon but it would not at all be surprising for someone to have used that name. 2. Things that are obviously jokes. All the jobs listed except for Microsoft contain items from both categories. The jokey things in the first Microsoft bullet point are React in a big data pipeline and Edge on the blockchain...but both of those are things I can't be certain are actually jokes because people do in fact seriously propose things along those lines. The three problematic things I noticed are: 1. In the skills section mentioned fintech, health, and adult entertainment industries, but in the experience section lists no companies that work in those areas. 2. Zillow job started 4 months before previous LinkedIn job ended. 3. One of the jokes was about giving herpes to interns. I like people with a sense of humor at work, but joking about sex with coworkers has too high a risk of being misunderstood and leading to problems.
- sireat 5y agoI believe author of the resume was familiar with http://pixelastic.github.io/pokemonorbigdata/ http://pixelastic.github.io/pokemonorbigdata/ I dare anyone to get 100% on the first try
- etoulas 5y agoNext on HN frontpage: http://thiscvdoesnotexists.com/ http://thiscvdoesnotexists.com/
- etoulas 5y ago3 years ago on HN https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19475858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19475858
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