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If you seriously think the government could have made us all lose weight in the last 18 months... they’ve been running anti obesity campaigns for decades and fa

If you seriously think the government could have made us all lose weight in the last 18 months... they’ve been running anti obesity campaigns for decades and failing while obesity grows every year. BTW covid is plenty dangerous to non obese as well. The vaccine shot actually works well and is incredibly easy to use compared to a grueling year long weight loss and sustaining it for a lifetime, for most people.

foolinaround 5y ago
if they have been running pro-vaccine campaigns, thats very welcome.. It is the coercion / loss of livelihood and other threats, that are getting people up in arms (figuratively, and who knows, someday in real life) Imagine if various establishments used a weight/health card where one is scored on some heuristic, and allowed access. Just look at intellectuals like Noam Chomsky's prescriptions on how to treat the unvaccinated...
- javagram 5y ago
  > It is the coercion / loss of livelihood and other threats, that are getting people up in arms (figuratively, and who knows, someday in real life) People were up in arms and fearmongering over the vaccine since 2020. This isn’t about coercion - there’s a reason the same people typically don’t get vaccinated themselves. If they believed in the effectiveness of the vaccine they’d be vaxxed themselves (like Republican Governors and Fox News tv hosts). I personally know someone who thought the vaccine had a good chance of killing me and other acquaintances who took it, all because he read some random posts on the net.
  - tinus_hn 5y ago
    This is a straw man. It’s perfectly possible to be for vaccinations and against mandates.
    - javagram 5y ago
      I never said it wasn’t possible, in fact I gave some examples of people who are - politicians and tv hosts who have gotten vaxxed. Most people don’t fall into that category though. The “people” who are up in arms usually cite stuff like the vaccines rewriting DNA, being unsafe, untested, Nuremberg violations, “did my own research” and a hundred other reasons they found online to claim the vaccine is unsafe or ineffective.
      - tinus_hn 5y ago
        > I personally know someone who thought the vaccine had a good chance of killing This is the straw man
spookthesunset 5y ago
These public health “experts” didn’t even try. They basically treated covid like it was the Black Plague for everybody, when that is far from the truth. The truth is covid is a risk for a very specific set of the population. They made very little (no?) mention of how most people recover just fine. No mention of how stratified the risks are based on age. No mention about how it goes after the obese. None of that. Instead they just focused on scaring the shit out of everybody so bad I think many will suffer from PTSD. These health “experts” failed horribly at communicating the basic facts about covid.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  This really doesn't track with even basic fact checking. They didn't treat it like the Black Death; if anything, death estimates were way too low. https://www.npr.org/2020/04/09/830664814/fauci-says-u-s-coronavirus-deaths-may-be-more-like-60-000-antibody-tests-on-way https://www.npr.org/2020/04/09/830664814/fauci-says-u-s-coro... > The final toll currently "looks more like 60,000 than the 100,000 to 200,000" that U.S. officials previously estimated, Fauci said. As for obesity and age, they were pretty clear on that: https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/practices/fauci-offers-update-coronavirus-to-jama-for-clinicans https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/practices/fauci-offers-upda... > "It’s so clear that the overwhelming weight of serious disease and mortality is on those who are elderly and those with a serious comorbidity: heart disease, chronic lung disease, diabetes, obesity, respiratory difficulties," said Anthony Fauci, M.D., director of the National Institutes of Health's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. > "There will be outliers, as we’ve seen with influenza, [a person] who is young and healthy who winds up getting COVID-19, [gets] seriously ill and dies," Fauci said in a taped interview with Howard Bauchner, M.D., editor of the Journal of the American Medical Association. "But if you look at the weight of the data the risk group is very, very clear." You're getting mad at imaginary experts.
  - tinus_hn 5y ago
    Or perhaps they just aren’t that good? Because they might have poopoo-ed the risks at one time, at another time they have also inflated the risks to the point of making people think a positive test is a death sentence. In addition to flat out lying about that Chinese lab, of course.
nradov 5y ago
Obesity is a critical risk factor. https://www.wfae.org/health/2021-09-30/novant-says-9-of-10-children-in-covid-icus-are-overweight-but-public-health-officials-rarely-talk-about-obesity https://www.wfae.org/health/2021-09-30/novant-says-9-of-10-c... https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-3742#f1-M203742 https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-3742#f1-M203742 https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/obesity-and-covid-19.html https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/obesity-and-covid-19.html https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/07/21/bjsports-2021-104203 https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/07/21/bjsports-2021-...
- javagram 5y ago
  Look at your cdc link and it proves my point. I never said obesity wasn’t a risk factor, just that covid is plenty dangerous to the non obese as well. “ More than 900,000 adult COVID-19 hospitalizations occurred in the United States between the beginning of the pandemic and November 18, 2020. Models estimate that 271,800 (30.2%) of these hospitalizations were attributed to obesity.6” This is from your link - even if the government put everyone in concentration camps and forced them to lose weight, it would do nothing for the other 70% Meanwhile vaccines are about 80-90% effective against hospitalization and death.
  - tinus_hn 5y ago
    > Meanwhile vaccines are about 80-90% effective against hospitalization and death And falling. Remember how people were parading around 95%? Just like ‘99% of people in hospital are unvaccinated’. While now in some areas it’s ‘70% vaccinated’. Vaccines are not a magic bullet and delaying covid using measures that make people fat is not a smart move. Not to mention stealing 1.5% of peoples lifetime to delay a disease that less than 1% would die from.
    - javagram 5y ago
      Obesity hasn’t changed that much. Around 70% of Americans were overweight or obese before the pandemic. Diet is the most important factor in weight gain or weight loss. And except for a few dumb months at the beginning, parks and outdoor areas are open for recreation. I’ve been running 4x a week for the whole pandemic without issue where I live, nothing stopped people from exercising if they wanted to follow the health advice that they’ve been hearing for decades. Vaccines aren’t a magic bullet. But they’re the most cost effective item we have. You cite some irrelevant statistics but appear to agree with my statement that the vaccines remain more than 80% effective against death. The vaccine costs less than $100 and takes about an hour of time to do. There is no way to lose weight that cheaply or quickly and as a result people continue to ignore government advice and health campaigns urging them to do so. Moreover, losing weight does not stop you from catching or spreading COVID at all, whereas the vaccines have been shown to reduce transmission.

foolinaround 5y ago

if they have been running pro-vaccine campaigns, thats very welcome.. It is the coercion / loss of livelihood and other threats, that are getting people up in arms (figuratively, and who knows, someday in real life) Imagine if various establishments used a weight/health card where one is scored on some heuristic, and allowed access. Just look at intellectuals like Noam Chomsky's prescriptions on how to treat the unvaccinated...

javagram 5y ago
> It is the coercion / loss of livelihood and other threats, that are getting people up in arms (figuratively, and who knows, someday in real life) People were up in arms and fearmongering over the vaccine since 2020. This isn’t about coercion - there’s a reason the same people typically don’t get vaccinated themselves. If they believed in the effectiveness of the vaccine they’d be vaxxed themselves (like Republican Governors and Fox News tv hosts). I personally know someone who thought the vaccine had a good chance of killing me and other acquaintances who took it, all because he read some random posts on the net.
- tinus_hn 5y ago
  This is a straw man. It’s perfectly possible to be for vaccinations and against mandates.
  - javagram 5y ago
    I never said it wasn’t possible, in fact I gave some examples of people who are - politicians and tv hosts who have gotten vaxxed. Most people don’t fall into that category though. The “people” who are up in arms usually cite stuff like the vaccines rewriting DNA, being unsafe, untested, Nuremberg violations, “did my own research” and a hundred other reasons they found online to claim the vaccine is unsafe or ineffective.
    - tinus_hn 5y ago
      > I personally know someone who thought the vaccine had a good chance of killing This is the straw man

spookthesunset 5y ago

These public health “experts” didn’t even try. They basically treated covid like it was the Black Plague for everybody, when that is far from the truth. The truth is covid is a risk for a very specific set of the population. They made very little (no?) mention of how most people recover just fine. No mention of how stratified the risks are based on age. No mention about how it goes after the obese. None of that. Instead they just focused on scaring the shit out of everybody so bad I think many will suffer from PTSD. These health “experts” failed horribly at communicating the basic facts about covid.

ceejayoz 5y ago
This really doesn't track with even basic fact checking. They didn't treat it like the Black Death; if anything, death estimates were way too low. https://www.npr.org/2020/04/09/830664814/fauci-says-u-s-coronavirus-deaths-may-be-more-like-60-000-antibody-tests-on-way https://www.npr.org/2020/04/09/830664814/fauci-says-u-s-coro... > The final toll currently "looks more like 60,000 than the 100,000 to 200,000" that U.S. officials previously estimated, Fauci said. As for obesity and age, they were pretty clear on that: https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/practices/fauci-offers-update-coronavirus-to-jama-for-clinicans https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/practices/fauci-offers-upda... > "It’s so clear that the overwhelming weight of serious disease and mortality is on those who are elderly and those with a serious comorbidity: heart disease, chronic lung disease, diabetes, obesity, respiratory difficulties," said Anthony Fauci, M.D., director of the National Institutes of Health's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. > "There will be outliers, as we’ve seen with influenza, [a person] who is young and healthy who winds up getting COVID-19, [gets] seriously ill and dies," Fauci said in a taped interview with Howard Bauchner, M.D., editor of the Journal of the American Medical Association. "But if you look at the weight of the data the risk group is very, very clear." You're getting mad at imaginary experts.
- tinus_hn 5y ago
  Or perhaps they just aren’t that good? Because they might have poopoo-ed the risks at one time, at another time they have also inflated the risks to the point of making people think a positive test is a death sentence. In addition to flat out lying about that Chinese lab, of course.

nradov 5y ago

Obesity is a critical risk factor. https://www.wfae.org/health/2021-09-30/novant-says-9-of-10-children-in-covid-icus-are-overweight-but-public-health-officials-rarely-talk-about-obesity https://www.wfae.org/health/2021-09-30/novant-says-9-of-10-c... https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-3742#f1-M203742 https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-3742#f1-M203742 https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/obesity-and-covid-19.html https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/obesity-and-covid-19.html https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/07/21/bjsports-2021-104203 https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/07/21/bjsports-2021-...

javagram 5y ago
Look at your cdc link and it proves my point. I never said obesity wasn’t a risk factor, just that covid is plenty dangerous to the non obese as well. “ More than 900,000 adult COVID-19 hospitalizations occurred in the United States between the beginning of the pandemic and November 18, 2020. Models estimate that 271,800 (30.2%) of these hospitalizations were attributed to obesity.6” This is from your link - even if the government put everyone in concentration camps and forced them to lose weight, it would do nothing for the other 70% Meanwhile vaccines are about 80-90% effective against hospitalization and death.
- tinus_hn 5y ago
  > Meanwhile vaccines are about 80-90% effective against hospitalization and death And falling. Remember how people were parading around 95%? Just like ‘99% of people in hospital are unvaccinated’. While now in some areas it’s ‘70% vaccinated’. Vaccines are not a magic bullet and delaying covid using measures that make people fat is not a smart move. Not to mention stealing 1.5% of peoples lifetime to delay a disease that less than 1% would die from.
  - javagram 5y ago
    Obesity hasn’t changed that much. Around 70% of Americans were overweight or obese before the pandemic. Diet is the most important factor in weight gain or weight loss. And except for a few dumb months at the beginning, parks and outdoor areas are open for recreation. I’ve been running 4x a week for the whole pandemic without issue where I live, nothing stopped people from exercising if they wanted to follow the health advice that they’ve been hearing for decades. Vaccines aren’t a magic bullet. But they’re the most cost effective item we have. You cite some irrelevant statistics but appear to agree with my statement that the vaccines remain more than 80% effective against death. The vaccine costs less than $100 and takes about an hour of time to do. There is no way to lose weight that cheaply or quickly and as a result people continue to ignore government advice and health campaigns urging them to do so. Moreover, losing weight does not stop you from catching or spreading COVID at all, whereas the vaccines have been shown to reduce transmission.