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Ask HN: Meta Question Does FAANG Become Maang or Manga?
Any other ideas on the new name?
- short12 5y agoOr just ignore the name change like people did with the Sears tower or miller park
- rektide 5y agoOr DCA airport, maybe "National" if you insist. Or perhaps more close to home here: Alphabet.
- Armisael16 5y agoDCA and National are more-or-less interchangable. It's Reagan that's the own-of-towner one.
- rektide 5y agoyeah dont know what my unenthusiastic non-national stance was. agreed. thanks. this is accurate & correct.
- monksy 5y agoI'm reporting you for false info. The Sears tower's name never changed.
- biscottigelato 5y agoI have no idea why FAANG is still a thing. Of the trillion dollars companies, Meta/FB is no longer one of them. Netflix no idea how they even got part of the league. Should be ATAMA - Apple, Tesla, Amazon, Microsoft, Alphabet. But really, it will be BTS - Bitcoin, Tesla and SpaceX. The $10T club.
- tmp_anon_22 5y agoNetflix has a reputation for providing high up front compensation packages instead of equity and other compensation models. For this reason it gets lumped into the larger technology companies with vastly higher head counts. FANNG is largely a descriptor of compensation levels.
- mjirv 5y agoI've always thought that comp at Microsoft is similar to Amazon (i.e. slightly lower than F/Apple/N/G). Am I wrong?
- tmp_anon_22 5y agoI figured it was something like Facebook|Netflix > Google > Amazon > Microsoft. With them all being in an A- tier of compensation. (Most companies are C - B, A is extremely rare).
- lostmsu 5y agoAmazon pays more since AWS got popular.
- quantified 5y agoIs Bitcoin hiring?
- andirk 5y agoyeah for their ailing HR Dept
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- arthurkizito 5y agoLets all settle on MAMAA M - Microsoft ( Technology Sector ) A - Apple ( Technology Sector ) M - Meta ( Communication Services Sector ) A - Alphabet ( Communication Services Sector ) A - Amazon ( Consumer Cyclical Sector )
- arthurkizito 5y agoMAMATA - These Represent the 6 Largest Companies in the S&P 500 By Market Cap Microsoft - Technology Sector Apple - Technology Sector Meta - Communication Services Sector Alphabet - Communication Services Sector Tesla - Consumer Cyclical Sector Amazon - Consumer Cyclical Sector
- myowz 5y agoG already became alphabet, no one cared right?
- akomtu 5y agoG identifies as alphabet, but masses keep deadnaming it. And if corporations are people, G should be able to sue and cancel people (all of them).
- endisneigh 5y agoG is not alphabet. Alphabet is a holding company, of which G is a 'bet'
- rossdavidh 5y agoOr GNAAM, pronounced like 'nam, the way some Americans refer to the Vietnam war. If G -> A (for Alphabet), then it's NAAAM
- nostrademons 5y agoOr MAAAN, which has more of a ring to it.
- quantified 5y agoYes, GNAAM. It’s just more memorable and fun.
- rsj_hn 5y agoNaw, I doubt "meta" will take off in the public consciousness. "Facebook" is already too well known.
- kbendyk 5y agoYou’re absolutely right, as myowz pointed out, it was ignored with G/Alphabet, but it would funnily confusing to say “He works for a MANGA (or MAAAN) company” to someone…
- seba_dos1 5y agoGoogle did not rebrand itself though, it's still Google. It's the holding company that owns Google (the company) that's called Alphabet. In contrast, Facebook does an actual name change now - there'll be no company named Facebook anymore, just a product.
- endisneigh 5y agoit will. they're even changing their ticker from FB
- bin_bash 5y agoGAMMA—kick out Netflix and put in Microsoft
- nostrademons 5y agoThe M is already Microsoft. I'm partial to calling the Netflix-less tech industry "MAGA", because they're the ones actually making America great again. Also Google is actually Alphabet, so it'd really be like MAMA or something.
- ijlx 5y agoThe M is Meta - Microsoft isn't in FAANG
- hihihihi1234 5y agoTangential: why not? Microsoft is a huge, enormously influential tech company that everyone has heard of, with a revenue of $160 billion (more than 10x that of Netflix) and nearly 200,000 employees (more than any FAANG except Amazon, if Wikipedia is to be believed.) Why isn't it included in the standard list of prominent tech companies?
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- jpgvm 5y agoDue to the history of the term (originating in financial markets) Microsoft was considered to be in decline/not appreciating in value as quickly as FAANG and was thus excluded. I would say these days it belongs there much more than say NFLX especially considering NFLX having nestled into a content creation/media company rather than a primarily tech play that was purchasing content.
- usui 5y agoI feel like the last bit isn't exactly right. Their compensation is still more competitive compared to Microsoft. On the tech side, they are also innovating as a breakout new producer compared to the incumbents.
- sandyarmstrong 5y agoMy favorite take: https://twitter.com/jspaleta/status/1453798341347708930 https://twitter.com/jspaleta/status/1453798341347708930 "I work for the MAAAN"
- ffhhj 5y agoGO-MAAAN!
- eunos 5y agoKick out Netflix. MAGA Tell your Silicon Valley friends that you work at MAGA
- strikelaserclaw 5y agoNetflix, they don't hire the best people, we've got the best people, believe me
- pedalpete 5y agoMAGMA (Microsoft, Apple, Google, Meta, Amazon). I've never understood why Netflix was equated with the bigger companies. It's market cap is $300B the others (excluding Facebook) are all above $1T, and Facebook/Meta has a chance of breaking the $1T in the next year.
- dyeje 5y agoMostly because of their compensation I think.
- ALittleLight 5y agoWhy is Facebook "meta" but Google isn't "Alphabet"?
- endisneigh 5y agoGoogle is still a separate company, owned by Alphabet, the holding company. Facebook is changing their name entirely as a company. Facebook will only exist as a product that Meta owns after this.
- na85 5y agoThey're both awful attempts at rebranding, it's true.
- usui 5y agoWelcome to the opinion zone. You mention market caps, but I don't think that is really the reason why certain companies enter the mindshare of people. I think the reason that Netflix became a part of the acronym is because, like its counterparts, all of them are leaders in a big space that others have a hard time competing with, with products that seem innovative (also explains why the giants of FinTech don't have much mindshare). This kind of industry leader at enormous scale results in high compensation for individual emoloyees and it becomes convenient to lump these companies together because everyone is going for it regardless of whether they care about any individual workplace. Netflix essentially bootstrapped and proved the market for streaming. For a really long time, people weren't sold by the idea of streaming their shows instead of getting millions of commercials on cable TV. Don't get me wrong, Microsoft is a great company that operates at a massive scale, winning many enterprise hearts like Microsoft Office (slowly losing relevance), but if I think about it harder, I just don't think there's much for Microsoft to claim as a leader. It has the largest gaming and PC markets, but those markets don't have the same nearly infinitely scalable potential profit that Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Netflix, or Google do. They don't quite lead hardware, software, or "platforms". Windows is pretty good, but really more just a data platform at this point and hasn't done much movement compared to macOS. Azure, GitHub, LinkedIn—they exist, for sure, but we tend to talk about them as separate entities than "Microsoff" a lot of the time. I'm sure many people can raise counterpoints, but keep in mind we're already talking about ambiguous notions of "feeling" how a company should be perceived, and why many people would "feel" like Microsoft doesn't lump with the rest. I'm reminded by a quote by Steve Jobs talking about Microsoft's "lack of culture" in the products. https://youtu.be/KSg3fU9XWow https://youtu.be/KSg3fU9XWow
- lukehutch 5y agoKind of a silly question when we're not saying FAANA rather than FAANG.
- 908B64B197 5y agoAn ESL speaker once used "FAGMAN". We chuckled.
- short12 5y agoExcellent boondock saints reference "I mean the fat man"
- corysama 5y agoIf we go with MAANG, can I pronounce it like "mange"?
- deeblering4 5y agoI say shuffle companies around until it’s BANANA
- hihihihi1234 5y agoBrb - starting a company whose name begins with "B"
- ASalazarMX 5y ago[B]oogle
- tester756 5y agoIt reminds me https://github.com/p8952/bocker https://github.com/p8952/bocker or MichaelSoft Binbows [google images]
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- vgchh 5y agoMAAMAN - Microsoft Amazon Alphabet Meta Apple Netflix
- victorbstan 5y agoNAA(H)MAN
- jimmygrapes 5y agoMicrosoft Alphabet Meta Match Oracle Netflix?
- etiam 5y agoSome people started early on this one in the post with the name change announcement https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29029385 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29029385
- rvz 5y agoReplace Netflix with Microsoft then you either have: GAMMA or MAGMA Google, Apple, Meta, Microsoft, Amazon. or Meta, Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon. Both seem to work. But I'd go with GAMMA.
- sbierwagen 5y agoMMAGA. Microsoft, Meta, Amazon, Google, Apple.
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- idworks1 5y agoOn a serious note, the G in FAANG is for Alphabet.
- lmiller1990 5y agoIn Japan we say "GAFA" - Google Amazon Facebook Apple.
- sidibe 5y agoSame in France
- xtracto 5y agoIn that case Google would be replaced by Alphabet no?
- mvanveen 5y agoThe only way to find out is to consult the world wide WEEB
- taylodl 5y agoWhy can’t it be MAGAN? Pronounce it as like the name “Megan” and maybe we can get more girls into stem?
- mindcrime 5y agoAnybody else think this renaming will go down in history as right up there with "Inprise"[1]? [1]: https://www.computerworld.com/article/2589416/inprise-to-change-its---name-back-to-borland.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/2589416/inprise-to-cha...
- warrenm 5y agoMan! I had forgotten about the Borland/Inprise/Borland lunacy
- mindcrime 5y agoYeah, that was definitely one of the worst re-branding debacles in IT history as far as I can tell. The FB / Meta thing may be a bit different, but it definitely doesn't jump out to me as "Wow, what a Good Idea!" ya know?
- warrenm 5y agoGoogle's [quasi] rebranding to hide what each business unit was doing by becoming subsidiaries of Alphabet is still one of those weird things