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Zappos CEO’s final months describe drug-addicted psychosis in court documents

127 points by randycupertino 5y ago

AlbertCory 5y ago
Before he died, there were stories about how he'd tried to single-handedly reinvent downtown Las Vegas (not the Strip). Does anyone know what happened to all that?
- MentallyRetired 5y ago
  More than stories. He put $350m into it and it's still going. https://dtplv.com/ https://dtplv.com/
  - AlbertCory 5y ago
    the question is: with him gone, if it needs more money (which it will), where's it going to come from?
    - webmaven 5y ago
      Real estate.
yevpats 5y ago
very sad though not new story about addiction and depression. Here is my comment 10 month ago after reading his book "Delivering Happiness": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25326510#25326860 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25326510#25326860 . Worth checking out the book in this context - a shadow-story about depression.
isoskeles 5y ago
What a tragic end to this man’s life. The “personal alarm clock” gets me more than a lot of the other behaviors, as it would be quite alienating and disrespectful to have a friend make such an absurd offer to you.
- max_ 5y ago
  Whats sad is how everyone simply took advantage of him.
  - cm2012 5y ago
    He pushed away people who tried to give him the honest truth
    - crate_barre 5y ago
      He wasn’t in his right mind for that to be held against him.
narrator 5y ago
This Zappos article is like the whole catalog of rich people problems in a nutshell: drugs, parasitic relationships, arrests, and dumb accidents. I know some people who know people who made a lot of money in the 2000s dot com boom. One of them got a "guru" who he paid several thousands of dollars a day to. The "guru" fed him Ayahuasca and people who visited the rich guy at his house said he had removed all furniture from his house, was wearing robes and said he could control the winds with his thoughts. They often say that there's no one more hopeless than a rich junky. If they have a very large amount of money, they never hit rock bottom until they're dead.
- lapetitejort 5y ago
  Bill Murray said try being rich before being rich and famous. I'm rethinking the rich part.
  - nostrademons 5y ago
    Rich is better than famous. Plenty of people are quietly rich and basically just go about their business and live their lives, secure in the knowledge that there's money in the bank if they need it. There's no such thing as quietly famous. Many of pitfalls of being rich & famous, like greedy enablers and a larger-than-life lifestyle, stem from the "famous" part.
    - lapetitejort 5y ago
      The key is to slowly become rich. Tony Hsieh died at 46, around the time most pre-rich people haven't even made it out of upper middle class. Amass wealth slowly and your poor grifting friends will slowly be replaced with rich friends whose grifts will at least have a chance of return.
      - black_13 5y ago
        Yes thats it.
    - 5y ago
ebanana 5y ago
clearly struggling with extreme depression. like i get it, it is good to produce products and build a better life for us all. but there are unaddressed societal issues that cause this type of outcome
nobrains 5y ago
ketamine seems lately to my very common in drug and addiction related cases, including deaths.
joncrane 5y ago
Wow. I didn't realize he had died. In early 2018, I came || this close to working for Zappos as a Cloud Architect to get them moved onto AWS. Presumably because Amazon had owned them for several years by then. I wonder what it was like working for Zappos at that time.
NotSashaShulgin 5y ago
Dissociatives (e.g., ketamine, nitrous oxide, xenon, phencyclidine, dextromethorphan in cough syrup) are too addictive, too pleasurable, and reliably produce long-lasting delusional states (e.g., as observed in John C. Lilly and Marcia Moore and Tony Hsieh). It is disturbing to read Marcia Moore's "Journeys Into the Bright World" (http://pdf.textfiles.com/books/journeysbrightworld.pdf http://pdf.textfiles.com/books/journeysbrightworld.pdf) where she recounts that John C. Lilly warned her to stop using ketamine. She died in the woods not long afterward, hypothermia after injecting ketamine, trying to hide her addiction from her family. John C. Lilly himself went clean after decades of delusion, but never fully recovered, mentally. For a frank summary of the dangers, see D. M. Turner's "The Essential Psychedelic Guide". Before he died in his bathtub (after injecting ketamine), he wrote the following (https://www.ketamine.co.uk/dmturner/index.html https://www.ketamine.co.uk/dmturner/index.html): "A major concern regarding safe use of Ketamine is its very high potential for psychological addiction. A fairly large percentage of those who try Ketamine will consume it non-stop until their supply is exhausted. I've seen this in friends I've known for many years who are regular psychedelic users and have never before had problems controlling their drug consumption. And I've seen the lives of several people who developed an addiction to Ketamine take downward turns." "After about two years of once-per-week Ketamine use I even found that I had developed an addiction. Although it was less severe than what I've described above, it took considerable effort to break the cycle of repeatedly using it, even though I was aware of detrimental effects that it was causing. Since that time I've used Ketamine only occasionally, but find that I must continually exercise a high degree of will power to prevent myself from falling into a pattern of regular use. Amongst those I know who use Ketamine, I've seen very few who can use it in a balanced manner if they have access to it." So, all the dissociative psychedelics (NMDA receptor antagonists) seem to be bad. They should be avoided. On the other hand, there are other classes of psychedelics that are unambiguously good: tryptamines (e.g., psilocybin) and phenethylamines (e.g., mescaline). These drugs produce informative, useful, introspective, challenging mental states and are NOT prone to abuse. These are the valuable psychedelics.
- diegoperini 5y ago
  > NOT prone to abuse Citation needed.
mdoms 5y ago
This Jennifer “Mimi” Pham seems like a real piece of work. Real scumbag behaviour.
- rexreed 5y ago
  There's a whole lot of fakers and takers in these communities. Lots of people who want to ride on coattails and take what they can but have very little to give. As they say "it's lonely at the top" so people like to be part of those inner circles and take advantage of those who can.
NelsonMinar 5y ago
This picture is sad and disturbing. I also fear something like this could happen to a lot of people in the tech industry. Take care of your friends.
CameronBanga 5y ago
Tony was probably the smartest person I have ever met. Such a sad and tragic story.
pinewurst 5y ago
I'm strongly reminded of Howard Hughes, as mentally ill, drug-addicted prisoner of his "staff".
- hacksnewer 5y ago
  You're not far off but the sad thing is that Hughes died 30 years later. He died due to malnutrition and for years his various control centers had run operations separate enough from him that he had no clue what was going on sometimes, but he still was running much of his empire in that penthouse up to the early 70s. Hughes was a direct part of Watergate.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
- s5300 5y ago
  Howard Hughes had severe allodynia in an age in which there was no real medical treatment for it Still, to this day, there is no amazing treatment for it. Especially because there are more than a few not well understood causes of it. Some medications work well for some, but not at all for others. Hughes was, by all accounts, essentially a prisoner of his unrelenting misfiring nervous system. I think he lived out his final years with it in a fairly reasonable way. Speaking as somebody with a moderate case of allodynia caused by a functional musculoskeletal condition, if my case was a bit worse, with no hope for treatment in sight, and I was loaded like he was - I too would likely spend my time in isolation and on a lot of drugs, really anything that would relieve the sensory pain, no matter how cognitively impaired it may make me.
  - Scoundreller 5y ago
    For some of us: allodynia: “Allodynia is a type of neuropathic pain (nerve pain). People with allodynia are extremely sensitive to touch. Things that don't usually cause pain can be very painful. These may include cold temperatures, brushing hair or wearing a cotton t-shirt. Allodynia can result from several conditions.” https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/21570-allodynia https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/21570-allodyn...
Scoundreller 5y ago
For those in the EU that 8newsnow blocks: https://archive.md/ZEG3D https://archive.md/ZEG3D
sergiotapia 5y ago
I could have sworn the Zappos CEO died after being murdered by his personal assistant in New York. Who am I thinking of?
- randycupertino 5y ago
  I think you're thinking of someone else. The Zappos CEO died in a house fire in New London, CT.
- sokoloff 5y ago
  Probably Fahim Saleh: https://abcnews.go.com/Business/police-arrest-assistant-tech-ceo-found-decapitated-dismembered/story?id=71840284 https://abcnews.go.com/Business/police-arrest-assistant-tech...
- atombender 5y ago
  Fahim Saleh: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/nyregion/dismembered-body-houston-street-manhattan.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/nyregion/dismembered-body... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahim_Saleh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahim_Saleh
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
Xenoamorphous 5y ago
> Our European visitors are important to us. > This site is currently unavailable to visitors from the European Economic Area while we work to ensure your data is protected in accordance with applicable EU laws. I wonder if sites will ever stop lying about this.
- sokoloff 5y ago
  “Important to us, but not profitable to serve.”
  - chrisin2d 5y ago
    "Important, but not important enough."
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    No, even profitable, it's just that they can't be bothered to disable their tracking.
    - sokoloff 5y ago
      If it was profitable enough to bother, I’m sure they’d do it.
    - short12 5y ago
      If they are an American company with no presence in EU they can blatantly ignore the privacy laws
- gojomo 5y ago
  I wonder if Europe will ever lift its Iron GDPR Curtain to allow its residents to access free-world websites!
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    Note that this curtain isn't put in place by the EU, nor that compliance with the GDPR is hard.
dwohnitmok 5y ago
Anybody have a link to the court documents referenced in this news article, because I can't find it in the article itself? (As an aside I really would prefer news articles that are summarizations of other documents to please also provide the original document)
- pseudolus 5y ago
  The case is docketed in Nevada State Court (District Court, County of Clark). A portal for various Nevada courts can be found at: https://www.clarkcountycourts.us/Portal/Home/WorkspaceMode?p=0 https://www.clarkcountycourts.us/Portal/Home/WorkspaceMode?p... Searching is enabled at the bottom of the page. The index number of the case is: A-21-828090-B (the case caption is: Baby Monster LLC, Plaintiff(s) vs. PCVI LLC, Defendant(s)). Unfortunately, you have to register on the site and pay for a copy of the requested documents. The Daily Mail printed a story with more detail - some of the individuals named in the original post really come off as horrible - in which they've embedded some of the pleadings: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10116643/Late-billionaire-Tony-Hsieh-swindled-millions-dollars-assistant-filing-claims.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10116643/Late-billi...
  - dwohnitmok 5y ago
    Awesome, thank you so much! Unfortunate that registration and payment is required for a government portal, but the Daily Mail's embedded images look to have a decent chunk of the arguments there.
Scoundreller 5y ago
> According to friends, Hsieh used “as many as 50 cartridges of nitrous oxide a day, often in public, or during 'meetings' with people I mean, it’s a lot, but I’m surprised it’s not higher. Each cartridge yields a minute, maybe two, of intoxication before a quick return to baseline. Probably less intoxication than hits of ketamine with its half life of 1-2 hours. But it may have been on top of other substance use. Nitrous use is just very overt. The chronic nitrous use will make it extremely difficult to maintain adequate vitamin B12 levels. Nitrous is very effective at deactivating it, and diet doesn’t have a ton. B12 deficiency has lots of nasty neurological effects: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12_deficiency https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12_deficiency Even passive (same room) exposure to nitrous oxide leads to 25% reduced b12 levels. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17951609/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17951609/ Who the hell knows what else nitrous is oxidizing away over the long term. Cartridges often have a little machine oil impurity that will add up when consuming the amount that would be in 1L of whipped cream 50x a day. Hopefully he acquired the good ones.
1024core 5y ago
If I were close to him, I would have had him kidnapped and put on a remote island, far away from all these leeches.
- bitxbitxbitcoin 5y ago
  This is why he hired security.
orangepurple 5y ago
Nitrous oxide abuse is really dangerous > Hi Everyone, > I have quite probably taken more Nitrous (at least in Whippit form) than anyone else alive. So I feel compelled to share with all of you - my experience. Read more: https://www.bluelight.org/xf/threads/nitrous-oxide-experienced-life-changing-problems.445374/ https://www.bluelight.org/xf/threads/nitrous-oxide-experienc...
- tudorw 5y ago
  Glad you're still here to share your (mis)adventures, the streets here are littered with those little silver 'bullets', I thought we had a problem, now I'm just wondering where you live...
  - orangepurple 5y ago
    Not the OP; the original poster lives on Vancouver Island, British Columbia
dzonga 5y ago
if you want a thrill, without doing drugs please engage in these hobbies: motorcycles, planes, freediving / cliffdiving and well ultra triathlons etc. rich people like larry ellison take up sailing and buy used fighter jets. the important thing is to realize you need a thrill in your life, something dangerous that makes you kiss death every once in a while, while not dying or frying your brain!!!
black_13 5y ago
This guy is used in chapter 8 of jeff Sutherland book.

Before he died, there were stories about how he'd tried to single-handedly reinvent downtown Las Vegas (not the Strip). Does anyone know what happened to all that?

MentallyRetired 5y ago
More than stories. He put $350m into it and it's still going. https://dtplv.com/ https://dtplv.com/
- AlbertCory 5y ago
  the question is: with him gone, if it needs more money (which it will), where's it going to come from?
  - webmaven 5y ago
    Real estate.

yevpats 5y ago

very sad though not new story about addiction and depression. Here is my comment 10 month ago after reading his book "Delivering Happiness": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25326510#25326860 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25326510#25326860 . Worth checking out the book in this context - a shadow-story about depression.

isoskeles 5y ago

What a tragic end to this man’s life. The “personal alarm clock” gets me more than a lot of the other behaviors, as it would be quite alienating and disrespectful to have a friend make such an absurd offer to you.

max_ 5y ago
Whats sad is how everyone simply took advantage of him.
- cm2012 5y ago
  He pushed away people who tried to give him the honest truth
  - crate_barre 5y ago
    He wasn’t in his right mind for that to be held against him.

narrator 5y ago

This Zappos article is like the whole catalog of rich people problems in a nutshell: drugs, parasitic relationships, arrests, and dumb accidents. I know some people who know people who made a lot of money in the 2000s dot com boom. One of them got a "guru" who he paid several thousands of dollars a day to. The "guru" fed him Ayahuasca and people who visited the rich guy at his house said he had removed all furniture from his house, was wearing robes and said he could control the winds with his thoughts. They often say that there's no one more hopeless than a rich junky. If they have a very large amount of money, they never hit rock bottom until they're dead.

lapetitejort 5y ago
Bill Murray said try being rich before being rich and famous. I'm rethinking the rich part.
- nostrademons 5y ago
  Rich is better than famous. Plenty of people are quietly rich and basically just go about their business and live their lives, secure in the knowledge that there's money in the bank if they need it. There's no such thing as quietly famous. Many of pitfalls of being rich & famous, like greedy enablers and a larger-than-life lifestyle, stem from the "famous" part.
  - lapetitejort 5y ago
    The key is to slowly become rich. Tony Hsieh died at 46, around the time most pre-rich people haven't even made it out of upper middle class. Amass wealth slowly and your poor grifting friends will slowly be replaced with rich friends whose grifts will at least have a chance of return.
    - black_13 5y ago
      Yes thats it.
  - 5y ago

ebanana 5y ago

clearly struggling with extreme depression. like i get it, it is good to produce products and build a better life for us all. but there are unaddressed societal issues that cause this type of outcome

nobrains 5y ago

ketamine seems lately to my very common in drug and addiction related cases, including deaths.

joncrane 5y ago

Wow. I didn't realize he had died. In early 2018, I came || this close to working for Zappos as a Cloud Architect to get them moved onto AWS. Presumably because Amazon had owned them for several years by then. I wonder what it was like working for Zappos at that time.

NotSashaShulgin 5y ago

Dissociatives (e.g., ketamine, nitrous oxide, xenon, phencyclidine, dextromethorphan in cough syrup) are too addictive, too pleasurable, and reliably produce long-lasting delusional states (e.g., as observed in John C. Lilly and Marcia Moore and Tony Hsieh). It is disturbing to read Marcia Moore's "Journeys Into the Bright World" (http://pdf.textfiles.com/books/journeysbrightworld.pdf http://pdf.textfiles.com/books/journeysbrightworld.pdf) where she recounts that John C. Lilly warned her to stop using ketamine. She died in the woods not long afterward, hypothermia after injecting ketamine, trying to hide her addiction from her family. John C. Lilly himself went clean after decades of delusion, but never fully recovered, mentally. For a frank summary of the dangers, see D. M. Turner's "The Essential Psychedelic Guide". Before he died in his bathtub (after injecting ketamine), he wrote the following (https://www.ketamine.co.uk/dmturner/index.html https://www.ketamine.co.uk/dmturner/index.html): "A major concern regarding safe use of Ketamine is its very high potential for psychological addiction. A fairly large percentage of those who try Ketamine will consume it non-stop until their supply is exhausted. I've seen this in friends I've known for many years who are regular psychedelic users and have never before had problems controlling their drug consumption. And I've seen the lives of several people who developed an addiction to Ketamine take downward turns." "After about two years of once-per-week Ketamine use I even found that I had developed an addiction. Although it was less severe than what I've described above, it took considerable effort to break the cycle of repeatedly using it, even though I was aware of detrimental effects that it was causing. Since that time I've used Ketamine only occasionally, but find that I must continually exercise a high degree of will power to prevent myself from falling into a pattern of regular use. Amongst those I know who use Ketamine, I've seen very few who can use it in a balanced manner if they have access to it." So, all the dissociative psychedelics (NMDA receptor antagonists) seem to be bad. They should be avoided. On the other hand, there are other classes of psychedelics that are unambiguously good: tryptamines (e.g., psilocybin) and phenethylamines (e.g., mescaline). These drugs produce informative, useful, introspective, challenging mental states and are NOT prone to abuse. These are the valuable psychedelics.

diegoperini 5y ago
> NOT prone to abuse Citation needed.

mdoms 5y ago

This Jennifer “Mimi” Pham seems like a real piece of work. Real scumbag behaviour.

rexreed 5y ago
There's a whole lot of fakers and takers in these communities. Lots of people who want to ride on coattails and take what they can but have very little to give. As they say "it's lonely at the top" so people like to be part of those inner circles and take advantage of those who can.

NelsonMinar 5y ago

This picture is sad and disturbing. I also fear something like this could happen to a lot of people in the tech industry. Take care of your friends.

CameronBanga 5y ago

Tony was probably the smartest person I have ever met. Such a sad and tragic story.

pinewurst 5y ago

I'm strongly reminded of Howard Hughes, as mentally ill, drug-addicted prisoner of his "staff".

hacksnewer 5y ago
You're not far off but the sad thing is that Hughes died 30 years later. He died due to malnutrition and for years his various control centers had run operations separate enough from him that he had no clue what was going on sometimes, but he still was running much of his empire in that penthouse up to the early 70s. Hughes was a direct part of Watergate.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
s5300 5y ago
Howard Hughes had severe allodynia in an age in which there was no real medical treatment for it Still, to this day, there is no amazing treatment for it. Especially because there are more than a few not well understood causes of it. Some medications work well for some, but not at all for others. Hughes was, by all accounts, essentially a prisoner of his unrelenting misfiring nervous system. I think he lived out his final years with it in a fairly reasonable way. Speaking as somebody with a moderate case of allodynia caused by a functional musculoskeletal condition, if my case was a bit worse, with no hope for treatment in sight, and I was loaded like he was - I too would likely spend my time in isolation and on a lot of drugs, really anything that would relieve the sensory pain, no matter how cognitively impaired it may make me.
- Scoundreller 5y ago
  For some of us: allodynia: “Allodynia is a type of neuropathic pain (nerve pain). People with allodynia are extremely sensitive to touch. Things that don't usually cause pain can be very painful. These may include cold temperatures, brushing hair or wearing a cotton t-shirt. Allodynia can result from several conditions.” https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/21570-allodynia https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/21570-allodyn...

Scoundreller 5y ago

For those in the EU that 8newsnow blocks: https://archive.md/ZEG3D https://archive.md/ZEG3D

sergiotapia 5y ago

I could have sworn the Zappos CEO died after being murdered by his personal assistant in New York. Who am I thinking of?

randycupertino 5y ago
I think you're thinking of someone else. The Zappos CEO died in a house fire in New London, CT.
sokoloff 5y ago
Probably Fahim Saleh: https://abcnews.go.com/Business/police-arrest-assistant-tech-ceo-found-decapitated-dismembered/story?id=71840284 https://abcnews.go.com/Business/police-arrest-assistant-tech...
atombender 5y ago
Fahim Saleh: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/nyregion/dismembered-body-houston-street-manhattan.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/nyregion/dismembered-body... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahim_Saleh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahim_Saleh
deleted 5y ago
[deleted]

Xenoamorphous 5y ago

> Our European visitors are important to us. > This site is currently unavailable to visitors from the European Economic Area while we work to ensure your data is protected in accordance with applicable EU laws. I wonder if sites will ever stop lying about this.

sokoloff 5y ago
“Important to us, but not profitable to serve.”
- chrisin2d 5y ago
  "Important, but not important enough."
- jacquesm 5y ago
  No, even profitable, it's just that they can't be bothered to disable their tracking.
  - sokoloff 5y ago
    If it was profitable enough to bother, I’m sure they’d do it.
  - short12 5y ago
    If they are an American company with no presence in EU they can blatantly ignore the privacy laws
gojomo 5y ago
I wonder if Europe will ever lift its Iron GDPR Curtain to allow its residents to access free-world websites!
- jacquesm 5y ago
  Note that this curtain isn't put in place by the EU, nor that compliance with the GDPR is hard.

dwohnitmok 5y ago

Anybody have a link to the court documents referenced in this news article, because I can't find it in the article itself? (As an aside I really would prefer news articles that are summarizations of other documents to please also provide the original document)

pseudolus 5y ago
The case is docketed in Nevada State Court (District Court, County of Clark). A portal for various Nevada courts can be found at: https://www.clarkcountycourts.us/Portal/Home/WorkspaceMode?p=0 https://www.clarkcountycourts.us/Portal/Home/WorkspaceMode?p... Searching is enabled at the bottom of the page. The index number of the case is: A-21-828090-B (the case caption is: Baby Monster LLC, Plaintiff(s) vs. PCVI LLC, Defendant(s)). Unfortunately, you have to register on the site and pay for a copy of the requested documents. The Daily Mail printed a story with more detail - some of the individuals named in the original post really come off as horrible - in which they've embedded some of the pleadings: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10116643/Late-billionaire-Tony-Hsieh-swindled-millions-dollars-assistant-filing-claims.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10116643/Late-billi...
- dwohnitmok 5y ago
  Awesome, thank you so much! Unfortunate that registration and payment is required for a government portal, but the Daily Mail's embedded images look to have a decent chunk of the arguments there.

Scoundreller 5y ago

> According to friends, Hsieh used “as many as 50 cartridges of nitrous oxide a day, often in public, or during 'meetings' with people I mean, it’s a lot, but I’m surprised it’s not higher. Each cartridge yields a minute, maybe two, of intoxication before a quick return to baseline. Probably less intoxication than hits of ketamine with its half life of 1-2 hours. But it may have been on top of other substance use. Nitrous use is just very overt. The chronic nitrous use will make it extremely difficult to maintain adequate vitamin B12 levels. Nitrous is very effective at deactivating it, and diet doesn’t have a ton. B12 deficiency has lots of nasty neurological effects: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12_deficiency https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12_deficiency Even passive (same room) exposure to nitrous oxide leads to 25% reduced b12 levels. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17951609/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17951609/ Who the hell knows what else nitrous is oxidizing away over the long term. Cartridges often have a little machine oil impurity that will add up when consuming the amount that would be in 1L of whipped cream 50x a day. Hopefully he acquired the good ones.

1024core 5y ago

If I were close to him, I would have had him kidnapped and put on a remote island, far away from all these leeches.

bitxbitxbitcoin 5y ago
This is why he hired security.

orangepurple 5y ago

Nitrous oxide abuse is really dangerous > Hi Everyone, > I have quite probably taken more Nitrous (at least in Whippit form) than anyone else alive. So I feel compelled to share with all of you - my experience. Read more: https://www.bluelight.org/xf/threads/nitrous-oxide-experienced-life-changing-problems.445374/ https://www.bluelight.org/xf/threads/nitrous-oxide-experienc...

tudorw 5y ago
Glad you're still here to share your (mis)adventures, the streets here are littered with those little silver 'bullets', I thought we had a problem, now I'm just wondering where you live...
- orangepurple 5y ago
  Not the OP; the original poster lives on Vancouver Island, British Columbia

dzonga 5y ago

if you want a thrill, without doing drugs please engage in these hobbies: motorcycles, planes, freediving / cliffdiving and well ultra triathlons etc. rich people like larry ellison take up sailing and buy used fighter jets. the important thing is to realize you need a thrill in your life, something dangerous that makes you kiss death every once in a while, while not dying or frying your brain!!!

black_13 5y ago

This guy is used in chapter 8 of jeff Sutherland book.