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No, very good. There are European countries that have went full stasi with "papers, please". Leaked private keys are liberation.

malermeister 5y ago
Imagine comparing a simple health measure to the Stasi. Some folks on here take individualism to pathological levels.
- sgjohnson 5y ago
  Starting with November 15, it will be illegal to employ unvaccinated people. They already can't enter supermarkets or access any "non-essential" services. "simple health measure", you literally need that + a form of ID to leave the home. And I cannot support that.
  - malermeister 5y ago
    You need a passport to leave your country. You need a drivers license to drive a car. It's illegal to employ people without a work visa. Relax. Don't pretend this is something new or the end of the world. This is how civilization works, through society making decisions on whats acceptable and what isn't. There's all sorts of sensible restrictions already and this is another one that makes sense.
    - sgjohnson 5y ago
      There's no point in reasoning with you, if you believe that someone's private health information is a blanket reason to completely ruin their livelihood. Would be lovely if you were put in a position where it's something you don't want to (or can't) do, or your own government takes away your entire livelihood. But it would be fine, because that's how civilisation works, through society making decisions on whats acceptable and what isn't. There's all sorts of sensible. I would have a sweet, sweet "I told you so" moment, but I would still stand up for your rights.
      - malermeister 5y ago
        That "private health information" is them attempting to ruin other people's livelihoods. This isn't some personal issue like high blood pressure, this is a highly infectious disease. Stop pretending this is some kind of principled stand, it's just people wanting to be inconsiderate assholes and other people not wanting them to be.
        sgjohnson 5y ago
        Unvaccinated people aren't runing anyone's livelihood, except for taking a bigger risk on themselves. It is a principled stand. I'm all for vaccination and I'm vaccinated myself, I don't care who's vaccinated and who's not. Making it illegal to employ unvaccinated people is inexcuseable.
        malermeister 5y ago
        This would be true if vaccines offered perfect 100% protection. Since they don't, individual protection is the product of the protection of everyone you interact with. As such, unvaccinated people are a health risk to the vaccinated individual. We don't allow all sorts of other health risks in the workplace, you can't be a drunk crane operator for example, so this is not some special new thing.
    - SamTwardowski 5y ago
      What is this "society" you speak of and when/where does it make these decisions?
      - malermeister 5y ago
        Society is a group of people. In democratic societies those decisions are made through elections.
    - xdennis 5y ago
      None of those are comparable. * you can easily get a non-covid passport to leave the country * you need a driver's license to prove skill * it's illegal to enter a country illegally. Working without a visa isn't an issue because you're not allowed there to begin with. But with covid, we've removed fundamental rights. Driving is not a right. Leaving your country and working (in your country) are rights... but not if you're a skeptic. But about your examples, these things are now illegal but have never been: * Australia doesn't allow you to leave the country even if you have a passport. * In Romania you're not allowed to go outside without a mask and you're not allowed to go outside at night AT ALL if you're not vaccinated. Even worse: * France debated removing voting rights for non vaccinated people. > This is how civilization works You know which other people invoked civilization?
      - malermeister 5y ago
        > you need a driver's license to prove skill Just like you need a vaccine certificate to prove vaccination :) > Leaving your country and working (in your country) are rights Says who? Who defines those rights? > these things are now illegal but have never been: [...] > In Romania you're not allowed to go outside without a mask and you're not allowed to go outside at night AT ALL if you're not vaccinated. Ceausescu declared a national curfew on December 20 1989. > Australia doesn't allow you to leave the country even if you have a passport Australia literally was a prison colony. You know, prisons, the things where people can't leave? Both of these "unprecedented" things have precedent. You're over-exaggerating in your hysteria. > You know which other people invoked civilization? Please, enlighten me.
        ryanlol 5y ago
        > Ceausescu declared a national curfew on December 20 1989. And then 5 days later the Ceausescus were sentenced to death and executed by a firing squad, the same fate that the proponents of covid passports deserve. I suppose that was your point. I have no problem with the vaccines, I just don’t think it’s a reasonable excuse for anyone to ask my ID.
        sgjohnson 5y ago
    - raxxorrax 5y ago
      And I don't think there is anywhere near a consent on how far this kind of security should be driven.
- throwaway829 5y ago
  Imagine comparing compulsory state mandated injections to the Stasi.
  - malermeister 5y ago
    Do you even know what the Stasi did or are you just throwing scary buzzwords around? Hint: it had nothing to do with injections.

malermeister 5y ago

Imagine comparing a simple health measure to the Stasi. Some folks on here take individualism to pathological levels.

sgjohnson 5y ago
Starting with November 15, it will be illegal to employ unvaccinated people. They already can't enter supermarkets or access any "non-essential" services. "simple health measure", you literally need that + a form of ID to leave the home. And I cannot support that.
- malermeister 5y ago
  You need a passport to leave your country. You need a drivers license to drive a car. It's illegal to employ people without a work visa. Relax. Don't pretend this is something new or the end of the world. This is how civilization works, through society making decisions on whats acceptable and what isn't. There's all sorts of sensible restrictions already and this is another one that makes sense.
  - sgjohnson 5y ago
    There's no point in reasoning with you, if you believe that someone's private health information is a blanket reason to completely ruin their livelihood. Would be lovely if you were put in a position where it's something you don't want to (or can't) do, or your own government takes away your entire livelihood. But it would be fine, because that's how civilisation works, through society making decisions on whats acceptable and what isn't. There's all sorts of sensible. I would have a sweet, sweet "I told you so" moment, but I would still stand up for your rights.
    - malermeister 5y ago
      That "private health information" is them attempting to ruin other people's livelihoods. This isn't some personal issue like high blood pressure, this is a highly infectious disease. Stop pretending this is some kind of principled stand, it's just people wanting to be inconsiderate assholes and other people not wanting them to be.
      - sgjohnson 5y ago
        Unvaccinated people aren't runing anyone's livelihood, except for taking a bigger risk on themselves. It is a principled stand. I'm all for vaccination and I'm vaccinated myself, I don't care who's vaccinated and who's not. Making it illegal to employ unvaccinated people is inexcuseable.
        malermeister 5y ago
        This would be true if vaccines offered perfect 100% protection. Since they don't, individual protection is the product of the protection of everyone you interact with. As such, unvaccinated people are a health risk to the vaccinated individual. We don't allow all sorts of other health risks in the workplace, you can't be a drunk crane operator for example, so this is not some special new thing.
  - SamTwardowski 5y ago
    What is this "society" you speak of and when/where does it make these decisions?
    - malermeister 5y ago
      Society is a group of people. In democratic societies those decisions are made through elections.
  - xdennis 5y ago
    None of those are comparable. * you can easily get a non-covid passport to leave the country * you need a driver's license to prove skill * it's illegal to enter a country illegally. Working without a visa isn't an issue because you're not allowed there to begin with. But with covid, we've removed fundamental rights. Driving is not a right. Leaving your country and working (in your country) are rights... but not if you're a skeptic. But about your examples, these things are now illegal but have never been: * Australia doesn't allow you to leave the country even if you have a passport. * In Romania you're not allowed to go outside without a mask and you're not allowed to go outside at night AT ALL if you're not vaccinated. Even worse: * France debated removing voting rights for non vaccinated people. > This is how civilization works You know which other people invoked civilization?
    - malermeister 5y ago
      > you need a driver's license to prove skill Just like you need a vaccine certificate to prove vaccination :) > Leaving your country and working (in your country) are rights Says who? Who defines those rights? > these things are now illegal but have never been: [...] > In Romania you're not allowed to go outside without a mask and you're not allowed to go outside at night AT ALL if you're not vaccinated. Ceausescu declared a national curfew on December 20 1989. > Australia doesn't allow you to leave the country even if you have a passport Australia literally was a prison colony. You know, prisons, the things where people can't leave? Both of these "unprecedented" things have precedent. You're over-exaggerating in your hysteria. > You know which other people invoked civilization? Please, enlighten me.
      - ryanlol 5y ago
        > Ceausescu declared a national curfew on December 20 1989. And then 5 days later the Ceausescus were sentenced to death and executed by a firing squad, the same fate that the proponents of covid passports deserve. I suppose that was your point. I have no problem with the vaccines, I just don’t think it’s a reasonable excuse for anyone to ask my ID.
      - sgjohnson 5y ago
  - raxxorrax 5y ago
    And I don't think there is anywhere near a consent on how far this kind of security should be driven.
throwaway829 5y ago
Imagine comparing compulsory state mandated injections to the Stasi.
- malermeister 5y ago
  Do you even know what the Stasi did or are you just throwing scary buzzwords around? Hint: it had nothing to do with injections.