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Personally I think it is unethical not to leak it. Technology is the best way to fight surveillance-oppression.

• phantomathkg 5y ago
  So you are saying we shouldn’t trust whether others have been vaccinated or not? Or should we fallback to paper cert?
  • native_samples 5y ago
    It's irrelevant whether other people have been vaccinated or not, for a vaccine that works. The claims to the contrary are all extremely weak that look strongly like working backwards from the desired conclusion (collective action) to something that sounds vaguely scientific (the passes). The system therefore has no legitimacy and opposing it is ethically correct.
  • dham 5y ago
    Just get the vaccine and go about life. If you're still worried, you're welcome to stay at home and play video games.
  • havkd 5y ago
    We shouldn’t ask others about their private medical information.
    • takeda 5y ago
      That's not how it works. Your medical record is private, but if a job has a requirement they can ask for proof of vaccine. It is up to you to provide it, and it is up to them to how to interpret it if you don't provide and how to handle it. For example even before the pandemic it was a job requirement of you were in a medical field.
      • dham 5y ago
        That's fine but I didn't have to show my vaccination record to my current employer. I literally sit at home and stare at a computer screen all day. That's different than a nurse at a hospital. My sister works at Pfizer in clinical trials, her last day is next week. She literally had to submit negative test results every week since around May. She works remotely, doesn't live in the same state as Pfizer headquarters and sits in front of a computer all day. Tell me how that makes sense?
  • tomp 5y ago
    I think you should get vaccinated and then trust that vaccine works (if you’re worried about the virus).
    • malermeister 5y ago
      That talking point completely ignores the dynamics of infectious disease.
      • __blockcipher__ 5y ago
        So do the COVID vaccine mandates, frankly. Relatively short lived (~months) protection against infection, which itself comes at the cost of encouraging vaccine escape variants to become the dominant strain. Furthermore while protection against infection/transmission wanes incredibly quickly compared to natural immunity, the protection against severe disease/hospitalization does much less so. Therefore it is quite silly for a vaccinated person with a functioning immune system to be afraid of catching COVID. (This is usually the point in the discussion where people start saying "what about this one super rare immunocompromised person who the vaccine doesn't work well for"...) So the whole idea of population-level vaccination to stop the spread is absurd on its face. And the real world data only further underscores that (mass vaccination did not stop the 2021 waves, and if anything it seems like vaccination helped briefly prevent some people from acquiring natural immunity due to briefly protection them against infection, which just made the vaccinated population even better substrate when Delta came roaring). If someone's concerned about COVID, they need to get vaccinated and stop trying to control everyone around them. It's really quite simple. The collectivist benefit of vaccination is poor at best, and has a lot of theoretical concerns associated with it such as https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198 https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/jou.... Whereas the individual benefit wrt mortality&morbidity is a much stronger argument.
        • malermeister 5y ago
          Mass vaccination did not stop the waves in 2021 because vaccination numbers were too low. Your whole argument is that vaccination wasn't effective on a population level... because the population was not vaccinated enough. With delta we need to reach 90% (https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-herd-immunity-90-percent-2021-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-herd-immunity-...), but we got nowhere near that thanks to people wanting to treat a collective problem like an individual one.
  • patrakov 5y ago
    You should not trust even paper certs. At least in Russia, too many of them are bought by anti-vaxxers. I.e., some doctors responsible for vaccination, given some extra money, do everything they need to do, except the actual injection. P.S. My re-vaccination attempt failed on October 22nd. 270 people in the queue before me, some are sneezing, no social distancing at all, so I decided not to risk. I still have a valid certificate from March 18th.
• merrywhether 5y ago
  Are you against speed limit enforcement too? Or is this a matter of degree and not pure principle?
  • tomp 5y ago
    Mostly yes. E.g. in Germany there’s often no speed limits. I also support laws like “you’re responsible for not speeding” so if you crash and hurt someone, you could be guilty, but not if you’re speeding on a completely straight & empty motorway.
    • ebawho44 5y ago
      I'm not sure I would say often. The no speed limit stretches are much more limited than people outside of the country seem to think, and often are temporarily limited when needed, times of higher traffic, road work, near cities or on/off ramps, weather conditions, etc. It is not as much of a free for all as you make it out to be. We already have laws that make people responsible if they are speeding and crash and hurt someone, and people still do it. The problem with your logic of "there should be no rule unless someone does something to hurt someone" is that people are not always rational, and once someone is hurt or killed it is too late. It is better to try and discourage the behaviour that hurts someone before it happens, rather than after.
      • tomp 5y ago
        We disagree, and that’s fine. Maybe I also have higher risk tolerance than most other people.
  • drukenemo 5y ago
    Comparing speed limit to health status is misleading to say the least.
  • xdennis 5y ago
    The two are not comparable. You don't need a car to live. But in some countries you're cut off from essential services in the name of politicized science.
• peakaboo 5y ago
  Completely agree with you but that opinion is based on understanding that covid was created in a lab, and the vaccines are a power and money grab or worse.