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Photoshop will get a ‘prepare as NFT’ option soon

38 points by concernedstats 5y ago

rytcio 5y ago
This NFT craze can't end soon enough
- a2tech 5y ago
  I came into the thread to post my own eye roll like reaction to this, but you beat me to it. I'd love to know who the internal champion was at Adobe pushing this feature forward. Sure they could be working on performance improvements, improving the UI, or one of the myriad of outstanding and long lasting bugs, but instead, we're going to add in an NFT output filter!
  - ZiiS 5y ago
    The question is this more/less work then writing a good blog post vs will it get more/less syndication.
- ortusdux 5y ago
  I think this speed up that process.
  - ineedasername 5y ago
    Yes, accelerationism may be the best way to go here.
gpderetta 5y ago
checks calendar nope, not April yet.
pavlov 5y ago
It doesn’t happen very often that the Bullshit Partnerships division gets to add a button into the actual product, so champagne is popping over there. Presumably this feature just exports a JPEG and uploads it to an endpoint at $NFT_SERVICE who are giving Adobe a cut.
simiones 5y ago
This feels a lot like the old adage: in every gold rush, the people making the surest money are those selling the shovels.
throwawaywindev 5y ago
Time to sell every possible 4K bitmap as individual “generative art” NFT’s.
- deleted 5y ago
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- andrewstuart2 5y ago
  http://www.milliondollarhomepage.com/ http://www.milliondollarhomepage.com/ Is there a million dollar NFT homepage yet? Edit: There is. https://themilliondollarnft.net/ https://themilliondollarnft.net/
kaeruct 5y ago
How could this prevent me from taking a screenshot of an existing image and paste it into photoshop, then "prepare it as NFT"?
- dboreham 5y ago
  Doesn't. And -- you just made art there. See: Andy Warhol.
- detaro 5y ago
  why would it?
- tdrdt 5y ago
  In the near future modern OSs will block the screenshot when you are displaying NFT content. And also the drivers of your videocard will prevent outputting such data via uncertified cables. There will also be a hidden watermark in case you want to take a picture of it with your camera, which ofcourse is not allowed. /s
  - DarkWiiPlayer 5y ago
    you say /s, but this sort of shit is already slowly creeping into the tech world.
  - uuddlrlr 5y ago
    Critics of NFTs incessantly conflate them with copyright and DRM, but it's a strawman argument. Buyers are aware that it doesn't grant them any actual rights beyond "I can transfer this NFT". I'm against NFTs for their environmental impact, I'm fine with their vanity.
  - rchaud 5y ago
    You joke, but even some of the most poorly engineered streaming services, like Crave.ca, managed to implement screenshot blocking. Seriously, this is a service whose Android app always appears as "unavailable in your region" (I'm in Canada), yet it allows mobile browsers to play the content just fine, except for the screenshot blocking.
LurkingPenguin 5y ago
And coming soon: for just $99 extra, you can offset the carbon emissions generated from the preparation of your NFT. Dollars all the way down, and before you know it, Photoshop will have as many upsells as GoDaddy. Thanks crypto!
arcanist_union 5y ago
Will this'tool' be located right next to a brand new self-destruct button?
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PragmaticPulp 5y ago
NFTs occupy an interesting intersection between being relatively low effort to implement but having a very high ability to grab headlines and free publicity. Can you think of any other easy feature that would get Photoshop into the headlines? Adding NFT functionality to anything is an easy way to get free press right now. It’s also why so many of the aimless influencers are rushing to NFT topics: They can use those free headlines to build followings and communities. But despite all the hype, it doesn’t seem to be the starving artists making money on NFTs. It’s all established crypto speculators and crypto businesses selling shovels in this gold rush. The starving artists are just a clever narrative to distract from who’s actually profiting.
- pavlov 5y ago
  > “… it doesn’t seem to be the starving artists making money on NFTs” Starving artists are the marks for this scam. They spend $50 on Ethereum and other fees to mint some NFTs, nobody buys them, and they remain starving — but the crypto ecosystem has extracted another chunk of real money from hopefuls at the base of the pyramid.
  - willcipriano 5y ago
    A few of them have to make money, otherwise the ponzi scheme blows up right away. Some of the artists involved likely understand that dynamic and they are betting on being a early adopter, getting paid and getting out before the flames consume the house. Some of the victims are merely aspiring coconspirators, if not most.
    - findalex 5y ago
      > aspiring coconspirators I feel like this describes the majority of "victims" here.
  - rchaud 5y ago
    We saw the same thing with the dropshipping craze. The real money was made after one got in early, made some money, then began selling dropshipping courses to other hopefuls.
yummybear 5y ago
Imagine being the unfortunate developer to draw that ungodly ticket from Jira.
ArtTimeInvestor 5y ago
Are there any signs that the NFT market is real? I mean - yes, we can see coins moved around on blockchains. But how do we know that those coins aren't just moving from one pocket to another of the same person? Any ideas on how to look at the NFT market and estimate its size would be very appreciated. I throw in one idea in myself: The Alexa rank of the NFT marketplaces. opensea.io is at #407 which is higher than coinbase.com which is at #798. So this might be an indication that there really is something happening here.
strict9 5y ago
I don't understand the unfettered hatred many have for NFTs. This is the first technology to come along and offer artists an actual avenue to payment for their creative work, and for fans to directly engage with and support with artists. For once, photographers, artists, musicians, countless others can be in control of their own distribution and the terms of it. Yes, you can right-click and save jpegs but that is sort of the point! Similar to having a print in your living room, copies of the original serve as marketing for it. People who own or sell NFTs aren't doing it just to "own" a jpeg, it's a digital representation of something purchased, or proof of attendance.
- VHRanger 5y ago
  Artists are marks in the NFT scam, paying large NFT minting fees with very few actual NFTs being sold to recoup costs. It's not like artists are lacking ways to monetize apart from NFTs. If a popular artist can extract value from their art through it, more power to them, but the median artist is losing money from the enterprise.
  - hydroreadsstuff 5y ago
    You don't need to mint on Ethereum. I'm there are cheaper options.
  - rvz 5y ago
    Given that the majority of the NFT ecosystem is running on Ethereum which still has the gigantic fees that come with swapping tokens, purchasing tokens, staking them and minting an NFT, the artist will end up losing more money than they actually put in and will sit with their unsold NFTs forever or will sell it in frustration at a loss. Adobe knows it is a scam. That's why they are merely selling shovels to fuel the hype and they win regardless if the would NFT market crashes.
- NicoJuicy 5y ago
  But it's not a legal one. NFT doesn't really solve anything. What was the actual problem in the first place? Influencers that want to earn more? Green washing is also a big problem in the NFT market.
rchaud 5y ago
When in a gold rush, sell shovels.
neonnoodle 5y ago
I got so pissed off about crypto scam bullshit that I made a picturebook about it: https://gum.co/marvelousmoneymachine https://gum.co/marvelousmoneymachine It's pay-what-you-want and suitable for all ages.
- naraga 5y ago
  how can you be pissed about something that has zero impact on your life?
  - dorkwood 5y ago
    I think it's good for society that we care about things which may not directly affect us. Having said that, the original poster is an artist, and the NFT craze is driven by a scam which disproportionately affects artists. I can see why they might be upset about that.
- belugacat 5y ago
  Wow, this is extremely well written and illustrated! This would totally deserve a hard release. Where can I see more of your work? I’ve sent a few dollars your way, get yourself a nice NFT or something with them ;)
callumprentice 5y ago
Can someone please point me to a concise description of what an NFT is? The usual answer is "DUH! It's a non-fungible token" as if that explains everything. I get that it's an image (maybe any digital media?) and it is associated with an entry on a blockchain somewhere but then I get confused. For example, that beautiful graphic you're going to print and hang on your wall can still be copied just as readily as any other digital file so how is all that money someone paid for it worth anything? If you copy it and change the color of 1 pixel (indistinguishable from the original) then reissue a new NFT, does that count? ========================================= EDIT: I won't pollute the thread with individual replies but thank you everyone for the wisdom and insight. I have a much better picture of how it all works now.
- chadlavi 5y ago
  A means of separating fools from their money
- trutannus 5y ago
  > I get that it's an image (maybe any digital media?) and it is associated with an entry on a blockchain somewhere but then I get confused. Not entirely correct. The NFT confers ownership of the NFT, not the asset it "represents" unless otherwise specified in a regular old contract or terms of sale. Often times the copywrite of the NFT's asset isn't even transferred correctly to the NFT owner.
- m12k 5y ago
  An NFT is basically a link to a URL stored on a blockchain. Websites can host an artist's image at a specific URL and help them sell the NFT as a kind of "crypto-autograph" for the artwork. It doesn't mean the actual artwork gets stored on the blockchain, it doesn't actually transfer ownership or copyright to the work, and it doesn't prevent e.g. the servers actually hosting the artwork from going down. It's basically a digital commemorative plaque that says "The owner of this token "bought" the artwork at [URL]".
- dcolkitt 5y ago
  People will pay millions for an original Monet. Why? Digital image reproduction is perfect and the image is in public domain. The answer is you’re buying status and provenance. The original Monet holds special value because of arbitrary cultural conventions. Someone can create a perfect replica to look at, but the replica dies not confer social status. We now have a generation of crypto-native multimillionaires. I know many on this forum are pissed off about the fact. Many think all this crypto wealth shouldn’t exist. And many think the bubble will burst any day now. All of which could be true. But the facts in the ground today is that there’s huge amounts of crypto native wealth. Just the same as 19th century Robber Barons are going to spend money on things that confer social status among other 19th century Robber Barons, crypto native millionaires are going to buy things that confer social status among crypto native millionaires. For crypto native people, crypto provenance is as valuable as original copies are to Robber Barons. Again this is all just arbitrary social conventions one way or another. As long as the crypto ecosystem continues to generate massive wealth, expect the highest status goods among that subculture to command lofty prices.
rvz 5y ago
The whole Ethereum-based tokens (ERC-20 only) and NFT (ERC-721) ecosystem is a gigantic, elaborate scam which only just helps influencers to use their fame to cash in on exit scamming their fans into thinking they are buying and holding something that has 'value' with no use. Instead they are paying immense gas fees to cover the cost of every. single. transaction. Discuss.

rytcio 5y ago

This NFT craze can't end soon enough

a2tech 5y ago
I came into the thread to post my own eye roll like reaction to this, but you beat me to it. I'd love to know who the internal champion was at Adobe pushing this feature forward. Sure they could be working on performance improvements, improving the UI, or one of the myriad of outstanding and long lasting bugs, but instead, we're going to add in an NFT output filter!
- ZiiS 5y ago
  The question is this more/less work then writing a good blog post vs will it get more/less syndication.
ortusdux 5y ago
I think this speed up that process.
- ineedasername 5y ago
  Yes, accelerationism may be the best way to go here.

gpderetta 5y ago

checks calendar nope, not April yet.

pavlov 5y ago

It doesn’t happen very often that the Bullshit Partnerships division gets to add a button into the actual product, so champagne is popping over there. Presumably this feature just exports a JPEG and uploads it to an endpoint at $NFT_SERVICE who are giving Adobe a cut.

simiones 5y ago

This feels a lot like the old adage: in every gold rush, the people making the surest money are those selling the shovels.

throwawaywindev 5y ago

Time to sell every possible 4K bitmap as individual “generative art” NFT’s.

deleted 5y ago
[deleted]
andrewstuart2 5y ago
http://www.milliondollarhomepage.com/ http://www.milliondollarhomepage.com/ Is there a million dollar NFT homepage yet? Edit: There is. https://themilliondollarnft.net/ https://themilliondollarnft.net/

kaeruct 5y ago

How could this prevent me from taking a screenshot of an existing image and paste it into photoshop, then "prepare it as NFT"?

dboreham 5y ago
Doesn't. And -- you just made art there. See: Andy Warhol.
detaro 5y ago
why would it?
tdrdt 5y ago
In the near future modern OSs will block the screenshot when you are displaying NFT content. And also the drivers of your videocard will prevent outputting such data via uncertified cables. There will also be a hidden watermark in case you want to take a picture of it with your camera, which ofcourse is not allowed. /s
- DarkWiiPlayer 5y ago
  you say /s, but this sort of shit is already slowly creeping into the tech world.
- uuddlrlr 5y ago
  Critics of NFTs incessantly conflate them with copyright and DRM, but it's a strawman argument. Buyers are aware that it doesn't grant them any actual rights beyond "I can transfer this NFT". I'm against NFTs for their environmental impact, I'm fine with their vanity.
- rchaud 5y ago
  You joke, but even some of the most poorly engineered streaming services, like Crave.ca, managed to implement screenshot blocking. Seriously, this is a service whose Android app always appears as "unavailable in your region" (I'm in Canada), yet it allows mobile browsers to play the content just fine, except for the screenshot blocking.

LurkingPenguin 5y ago

And coming soon: for just $99 extra, you can offset the carbon emissions generated from the preparation of your NFT. Dollars all the way down, and before you know it, Photoshop will have as many upsells as GoDaddy. Thanks crypto!

arcanist_union 5y ago

Will this'tool' be located right next to a brand new self-destruct button?

deleted 5y ago

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PragmaticPulp 5y ago

NFTs occupy an interesting intersection between being relatively low effort to implement but having a very high ability to grab headlines and free publicity. Can you think of any other easy feature that would get Photoshop into the headlines? Adding NFT functionality to anything is an easy way to get free press right now. It’s also why so many of the aimless influencers are rushing to NFT topics: They can use those free headlines to build followings and communities. But despite all the hype, it doesn’t seem to be the starving artists making money on NFTs. It’s all established crypto speculators and crypto businesses selling shovels in this gold rush. The starving artists are just a clever narrative to distract from who’s actually profiting.

pavlov 5y ago
> “… it doesn’t seem to be the starving artists making money on NFTs” Starving artists are the marks for this scam. They spend $50 on Ethereum and other fees to mint some NFTs, nobody buys them, and they remain starving — but the crypto ecosystem has extracted another chunk of real money from hopefuls at the base of the pyramid.
- willcipriano 5y ago
  A few of them have to make money, otherwise the ponzi scheme blows up right away. Some of the artists involved likely understand that dynamic and they are betting on being a early adopter, getting paid and getting out before the flames consume the house. Some of the victims are merely aspiring coconspirators, if not most.
  - findalex 5y ago
    > aspiring coconspirators I feel like this describes the majority of "victims" here.
- rchaud 5y ago
  We saw the same thing with the dropshipping craze. The real money was made after one got in early, made some money, then began selling dropshipping courses to other hopefuls.

yummybear 5y ago

Imagine being the unfortunate developer to draw that ungodly ticket from Jira.

ArtTimeInvestor 5y ago

Are there any signs that the NFT market is real? I mean - yes, we can see coins moved around on blockchains. But how do we know that those coins aren't just moving from one pocket to another of the same person? Any ideas on how to look at the NFT market and estimate its size would be very appreciated. I throw in one idea in myself: The Alexa rank of the NFT marketplaces. opensea.io is at #407 which is higher than coinbase.com which is at #798. So this might be an indication that there really is something happening here.

strict9 5y ago

I don't understand the unfettered hatred many have for NFTs. This is the first technology to come along and offer artists an actual avenue to payment for their creative work, and for fans to directly engage with and support with artists. For once, photographers, artists, musicians, countless others can be in control of their own distribution and the terms of it. Yes, you can right-click and save jpegs but that is sort of the point! Similar to having a print in your living room, copies of the original serve as marketing for it. People who own or sell NFTs aren't doing it just to "own" a jpeg, it's a digital representation of something purchased, or proof of attendance.

VHRanger 5y ago
Artists are marks in the NFT scam, paying large NFT minting fees with very few actual NFTs being sold to recoup costs. It's not like artists are lacking ways to monetize apart from NFTs. If a popular artist can extract value from their art through it, more power to them, but the median artist is losing money from the enterprise.
- hydroreadsstuff 5y ago
  You don't need to mint on Ethereum. I'm there are cheaper options.
- rvz 5y ago
  Given that the majority of the NFT ecosystem is running on Ethereum which still has the gigantic fees that come with swapping tokens, purchasing tokens, staking them and minting an NFT, the artist will end up losing more money than they actually put in and will sit with their unsold NFTs forever or will sell it in frustration at a loss. Adobe knows it is a scam. That's why they are merely selling shovels to fuel the hype and they win regardless if the would NFT market crashes.
NicoJuicy 5y ago
But it's not a legal one. NFT doesn't really solve anything. What was the actual problem in the first place? Influencers that want to earn more? Green washing is also a big problem in the NFT market.

rchaud 5y ago

When in a gold rush, sell shovels.

neonnoodle 5y ago

I got so pissed off about crypto scam bullshit that I made a picturebook about it: https://gum.co/marvelousmoneymachine https://gum.co/marvelousmoneymachine It's pay-what-you-want and suitable for all ages.

naraga 5y ago
how can you be pissed about something that has zero impact on your life?
- dorkwood 5y ago
  I think it's good for society that we care about things which may not directly affect us. Having said that, the original poster is an artist, and the NFT craze is driven by a scam which disproportionately affects artists. I can see why they might be upset about that.
belugacat 5y ago
Wow, this is extremely well written and illustrated! This would totally deserve a hard release. Where can I see more of your work? I’ve sent a few dollars your way, get yourself a nice NFT or something with them ;)

callumprentice 5y ago

Can someone please point me to a concise description of what an NFT is? The usual answer is "DUH! It's a non-fungible token" as if that explains everything. I get that it's an image (maybe any digital media?) and it is associated with an entry on a blockchain somewhere but then I get confused. For example, that beautiful graphic you're going to print and hang on your wall can still be copied just as readily as any other digital file so how is all that money someone paid for it worth anything? If you copy it and change the color of 1 pixel (indistinguishable from the original) then reissue a new NFT, does that count? ========================================= EDIT: I won't pollute the thread with individual replies but thank you everyone for the wisdom and insight. I have a much better picture of how it all works now.

chadlavi 5y ago
A means of separating fools from their money
trutannus 5y ago
> I get that it's an image (maybe any digital media?) and it is associated with an entry on a blockchain somewhere but then I get confused. Not entirely correct. The NFT confers ownership of the NFT, not the asset it "represents" unless otherwise specified in a regular old contract or terms of sale. Often times the copywrite of the NFT's asset isn't even transferred correctly to the NFT owner.
m12k 5y ago
An NFT is basically a link to a URL stored on a blockchain. Websites can host an artist's image at a specific URL and help them sell the NFT as a kind of "crypto-autograph" for the artwork. It doesn't mean the actual artwork gets stored on the blockchain, it doesn't actually transfer ownership or copyright to the work, and it doesn't prevent e.g. the servers actually hosting the artwork from going down. It's basically a digital commemorative plaque that says "The owner of this token "bought" the artwork at [URL]".
dcolkitt 5y ago
People will pay millions for an original Monet. Why? Digital image reproduction is perfect and the image is in public domain. The answer is you’re buying status and provenance. The original Monet holds special value because of arbitrary cultural conventions. Someone can create a perfect replica to look at, but the replica dies not confer social status. We now have a generation of crypto-native multimillionaires. I know many on this forum are pissed off about the fact. Many think all this crypto wealth shouldn’t exist. And many think the bubble will burst any day now. All of which could be true. But the facts in the ground today is that there’s huge amounts of crypto native wealth. Just the same as 19th century Robber Barons are going to spend money on things that confer social status among other 19th century Robber Barons, crypto native millionaires are going to buy things that confer social status among crypto native millionaires. For crypto native people, crypto provenance is as valuable as original copies are to Robber Barons. Again this is all just arbitrary social conventions one way or another. As long as the crypto ecosystem continues to generate massive wealth, expect the highest status goods among that subculture to command lofty prices.

rvz 5y ago

The whole Ethereum-based tokens (ERC-20 only) and NFT (ERC-721) ecosystem is a gigantic, elaborate scam which only just helps influencers to use their fame to cash in on exit scamming their fans into thinking they are buying and holding something that has 'value' with no use. Instead they are paying immense gas fees to cover the cost of every. single. transaction. Discuss.