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Very worrying if true

by i_have_an_idea 5y ago

xdennis 5y ago
It's also a ray of hope for people shut off from the world.
ryanlol 5y ago
Great news, just further demonstrates that these systems should never have been built.
- i_have_an_idea 5y ago
  What's the alternative? Every winter months of lockdowns, economic disruption, overflowing hospitals and hundreds of thousands of needless deaths? Just get your shots. Stop being pricks about it, it's not a big deal.
  - kri8 5y ago
    the alternative is not being a fucking loser and stop accepting whatever your government demands from you. Where do you draw the line?
  - ryanlol 5y ago
    >What’s the alternative? You said it yourself: >Just get your shots. Stop being pricks about it, it's not a big deal. Since fucking when do we need to build mass surveillance systems to encourage people to vaccinate? Why does it need to be a big deal? I don’t give a shit about vaccines (had my 2 shots as soon as they were available), but I genuinely believe that people pushing for pervasive vaccine passes do not deserve to live. Fucking develop technology to test if I actually had the vaccine, don’t try to use this as an excuse to check my documents.
sgjohnson 5y ago
No, very good. There are European countries that have went full stasi with "papers, please". Leaked private keys are liberation.
- malermeister 5y ago
  Imagine comparing a simple health measure to the Stasi. Some folks on here take individualism to pathological levels.
  - sgjohnson 5y ago
    Starting with November 15, it will be illegal to employ unvaccinated people. They already can't enter supermarkets or access any "non-essential" services. "simple health measure", you literally need that + a form of ID to leave the home. And I cannot support that.
    - malermeister 5y ago
      You need a passport to leave your country. You need a drivers license to drive a car. It's illegal to employ people without a work visa. Relax. Don't pretend this is something new or the end of the world. This is how civilization works, through society making decisions on whats acceptable and what isn't. There's all sorts of sensible restrictions already and this is another one that makes sense.
      - sgjohnson 5y ago
        There's no point in reasoning with you, if you believe that someone's private health information is a blanket reason to completely ruin their livelihood. Would be lovely if you were put in a position where it's something you don't want to (or can't) do, or your own government takes away your entire livelihood. But it would be fine, because that's how civilisation works, through society making decisions on whats acceptable and what isn't. There's all sorts of sensible. I would have a sweet, sweet "I told you so" moment, but I would still stand up for your rights.
        malermeister 5y ago
        That "private health information" is them attempting to ruin other people's livelihoods. This isn't some personal issue like high blood pressure, this is a highly infectious disease. Stop pretending this is some kind of principled stand, it's just people wanting to be inconsiderate assholes and other people not wanting them to be.

Very worrying if true

xdennis 5y ago

It's also a ray of hope for people shut off from the world.

ryanlol 5y ago

Great news, just further demonstrates that these systems should never have been built.

i_have_an_idea 5y ago
What's the alternative? Every winter months of lockdowns, economic disruption, overflowing hospitals and hundreds of thousands of needless deaths? Just get your shots. Stop being pricks about it, it's not a big deal.
- kri8 5y ago
  the alternative is not being a fucking loser and stop accepting whatever your government demands from you. Where do you draw the line?
- ryanlol 5y ago
  >What’s the alternative? You said it yourself: >Just get your shots. Stop being pricks about it, it's not a big deal. Since fucking when do we need to build mass surveillance systems to encourage people to vaccinate? Why does it need to be a big deal? I don’t give a shit about vaccines (had my 2 shots as soon as they were available), but I genuinely believe that people pushing for pervasive vaccine passes do not deserve to live. Fucking develop technology to test if I actually had the vaccine, don’t try to use this as an excuse to check my documents.

sgjohnson 5y ago

No, very good. There are European countries that have went full stasi with "papers, please". Leaked private keys are liberation.

malermeister 5y ago
Imagine comparing a simple health measure to the Stasi. Some folks on here take individualism to pathological levels.
- sgjohnson 5y ago
  Starting with November 15, it will be illegal to employ unvaccinated people. They already can't enter supermarkets or access any "non-essential" services. "simple health measure", you literally need that + a form of ID to leave the home. And I cannot support that.
  - malermeister 5y ago
    You need a passport to leave your country. You need a drivers license to drive a car. It's illegal to employ people without a work visa. Relax. Don't pretend this is something new or the end of the world. This is how civilization works, through society making decisions on whats acceptable and what isn't. There's all sorts of sensible restrictions already and this is another one that makes sense.
    - sgjohnson 5y ago
      There's no point in reasoning with you, if you believe that someone's private health information is a blanket reason to completely ruin their livelihood. Would be lovely if you were put in a position where it's something you don't want to (or can't) do, or your own government takes away your entire livelihood. But it would be fine, because that's how civilisation works, through society making decisions on whats acceptable and what isn't. There's all sorts of sensible. I would have a sweet, sweet "I told you so" moment, but I would still stand up for your rights.
      - malermeister 5y ago
        That "private health information" is them attempting to ruin other people's livelihoods. This isn't some personal issue like high blood pressure, this is a highly infectious disease. Stop pretending this is some kind of principled stand, it's just people wanting to be inconsiderate assholes and other people not wanting them to be.