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Snowcrash is where i would begin (where i did begin). It was some years ago now so i don't really remember why I hated cryptonomicon but I did, iirc, the plot j

Snowcrash is where i would begin (where i did begin). It was some years ago now so i don't really remember why I hated cryptonomicon but I did, iirc, the plot jumped around all the time, I couldn't care about the protagonists. Am I remembering correctly that the whole plot ultimately revolved around a large stash of gold?

RandallBrown 5y ago
Cryptonomicon is a fictionalized telling of how Alan Turing cracked the enigma code and how that led to the future of computing. The timeline does jump around between world war 2 and "modern" times. There was a large stash of gold, but I don't remember that being particularly important in the grand scheme of the book. It's one of my favorite books of all time.
- teekert 5y ago
  I love science fiction and read a lot of it, but I just couldn't get through Cryptonomicon, I just have the feeling that after a lot of pages nothing is really happening. Should I just keep reading until it gets better then? The start seems super slow with 0 interesting developments.
  - dagw 5y ago
    Honestly, and I say this as someone who loved the book, it doesn't get 'better'. If you don't like the prose and structure of the first 50-100 pages you probably won't like the book.
    - teekert 5y ago
      Thanx, that's all I needed to know. I have sometimes pushed through hundreds of pages because I knew something was coming, but if nothing is coming I really prefer to spend my time otherwise :)
      - ZeroGravitas 5y ago
        I was going to offer the same advice (and generalize it to anyone who writes big books, whether its the count of monte cristo or modern sci-fi epics) people who write long books, and therefore people who read them, generally aren't in it for the destination, but the journey. Having said that, there are some authors mentioned in this thread that didnt immediately click with me that are now my favorites. There's usually at least one (relatively) short book that should give you an entryway to try them out, without the full commitment.
        teekert 5y ago
        I don't mind long books, I wrestled through the first 400-500 pages of Atlas Shrugged and couldn't put it down after that anymore. Also, the entire Foundation trilogy went down quite well. I can appreciate a journey, but perhaps not all journeys. It's a good tip to try short books of writers first, I'll do that. Although generally I let myself be guided by reviews, and it works for me in general, Cryptonomicon is one of the outliers.
  - caconym_ 5y ago
    IMO Cryptonomicon is one of those novels where the journey is the real destination. If you don't enjoy the texture of his prose as it meanders through weird character episodes and technical exposition, there isn't some huge payoff at the end that will make it all worth it. That's pretty much all the book is. If you're looking for something built around a more traditional plot, Anathem or Reamde might suit you better. People also like Diamond Age, but I think it falls down at the end--IMO at that point he still hadn't figured out how to write endings.
    - vertis 5y ago
      Diamond Age is definitely my favorite, despite the shortcomings at the end. Having said that, "Fall, or Dodge in Hell" is the only book of his that I've struggled to keep reading.
      - nobody9999 5y ago
        I also enjoyed Diamond Age, as well as several other Stephenson novels. However, I recommend against The Big U. It's awful.
      - CRConrad 5y ago
        Fall is AFAICR the only one of his that I've at least half regretted reading all the way through, and this from an until recently compulsive -- in the sense that I always finished every book I hadn't given up on already in the first few (tens) of pages -- reader. (Fortunately, I seem to have outgrown that recently.) Anyway, it was weird how bad I found it, given how much I liked the previous Dodge book (especially the part with the kids driving through the "Facebooked" West). [EDIT:] Cribbing from sibling comments: Reamde ? [/EDIT] In online discussions, I've seen Seveneves getting a lot of flack, which I also found peculiar because IMO it was great; pretty much a return to Snowcrash form but with the added bonus of a few decades experience (so he knows how to write endings etc :-) ). But after Fall, my second-least-favourite of his may be Diamond Age. Can't recall for sure why, been ages since I read it. [EDIT:] Not that I thought it was bad, I think. Just the least good of many many good books. Apart, that is, from Fall. [/EDIT]
    - 5y ago
  - mypastself 5y ago
    It’s probably the longest book I’ve read that I didn’t particularly care for. What kept me going was the intermittent amusing cryptographic or engineering digression. You can tell which places Stephenson visited during his research, because he’ll describe them in great detail, like the business district of some city in the Philippines. It gets a little better as it goes along, but I’m not sure I’d recommend it.
    - bredren 5y ago
      Me either. I wouldn’t even describe it as Representative of the kind of fiction he is famous for.
  - fsloth 5y ago
    I think one of the points people like Stephenson is his sometimes slow, semi rambling erudition on a matter of things that a particular mindset finds an entirely thrilling. Most of his good stuff is about the world and the books are just lenses into queer and interesting things. Similar writers - Thomas Pynchon, Kurt Vonnegut, Umberto Eco, Douglas Adams. This slow ponderous style with brief moments of impactful plotting might not suit all.
  - Mountain_Skies 5y ago
    You missed out on the part about how purchasing high quality furniture improves a marriage's sex quality.
  - toofy 5y ago
    I’m a fan of stephenson, but honestly i’d skip it. Its not one of his best to the degree that you should force yourself to read it—if the beginning doesn’t grab you, it’s not going to later as it doesn’t change much throughout the book, or the surrounding other three books. If you haven’t read snowcrash, grab that, it’s a fanatastic book.
- stonogo 5y ago
  The gold is intended to back the cryptocurrency that the modern-era folks are trying to get off the ground. An unassailable gold backing for the currency, plus the data haven project, was supposed to prevent genocide by making fascism more difficult to implement. I think.
- fho 5y ago
  Spoilers :-)

RandallBrown 5y ago

Cryptonomicon is a fictionalized telling of how Alan Turing cracked the enigma code and how that led to the future of computing. The timeline does jump around between world war 2 and "modern" times. There was a large stash of gold, but I don't remember that being particularly important in the grand scheme of the book. It's one of my favorite books of all time.

teekert 5y ago
I love science fiction and read a lot of it, but I just couldn't get through Cryptonomicon, I just have the feeling that after a lot of pages nothing is really happening. Should I just keep reading until it gets better then? The start seems super slow with 0 interesting developments.
- dagw 5y ago
  Honestly, and I say this as someone who loved the book, it doesn't get 'better'. If you don't like the prose and structure of the first 50-100 pages you probably won't like the book.
  - teekert 5y ago
    Thanx, that's all I needed to know. I have sometimes pushed through hundreds of pages because I knew something was coming, but if nothing is coming I really prefer to spend my time otherwise :)
    - ZeroGravitas 5y ago
      I was going to offer the same advice (and generalize it to anyone who writes big books, whether its the count of monte cristo or modern sci-fi epics) people who write long books, and therefore people who read them, generally aren't in it for the destination, but the journey. Having said that, there are some authors mentioned in this thread that didnt immediately click with me that are now my favorites. There's usually at least one (relatively) short book that should give you an entryway to try them out, without the full commitment.
      - teekert 5y ago
        I don't mind long books, I wrestled through the first 400-500 pages of Atlas Shrugged and couldn't put it down after that anymore. Also, the entire Foundation trilogy went down quite well. I can appreciate a journey, but perhaps not all journeys. It's a good tip to try short books of writers first, I'll do that. Although generally I let myself be guided by reviews, and it works for me in general, Cryptonomicon is one of the outliers.
- caconym_ 5y ago
  IMO Cryptonomicon is one of those novels where the journey is the real destination. If you don't enjoy the texture of his prose as it meanders through weird character episodes and technical exposition, there isn't some huge payoff at the end that will make it all worth it. That's pretty much all the book is. If you're looking for something built around a more traditional plot, Anathem or Reamde might suit you better. People also like Diamond Age, but I think it falls down at the end--IMO at that point he still hadn't figured out how to write endings.
  - vertis 5y ago
    Diamond Age is definitely my favorite, despite the shortcomings at the end. Having said that, "Fall, or Dodge in Hell" is the only book of his that I've struggled to keep reading.
    - nobody9999 5y ago
      I also enjoyed Diamond Age, as well as several other Stephenson novels. However, I recommend against The Big U. It's awful.
    - CRConrad 5y ago
      Fall is AFAICR the only one of his that I've at least half regretted reading all the way through, and this from an until recently compulsive -- in the sense that I always finished every book I hadn't given up on already in the first few (tens) of pages -- reader. (Fortunately, I seem to have outgrown that recently.) Anyway, it was weird how bad I found it, given how much I liked the previous Dodge book (especially the part with the kids driving through the "Facebooked" West). [EDIT:] Cribbing from sibling comments: Reamde ? [/EDIT] In online discussions, I've seen Seveneves getting a lot of flack, which I also found peculiar because IMO it was great; pretty much a return to Snowcrash form but with the added bonus of a few decades experience (so he knows how to write endings etc :-) ). But after Fall, my second-least-favourite of his may be Diamond Age. Can't recall for sure why, been ages since I read it. [EDIT:] Not that I thought it was bad, I think. Just the least good of many many good books. Apart, that is, from Fall. [/EDIT]
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- mypastself 5y ago
  It’s probably the longest book I’ve read that I didn’t particularly care for. What kept me going was the intermittent amusing cryptographic or engineering digression. You can tell which places Stephenson visited during his research, because he’ll describe them in great detail, like the business district of some city in the Philippines. It gets a little better as it goes along, but I’m not sure I’d recommend it.
  - bredren 5y ago
    Me either. I wouldn’t even describe it as Representative of the kind of fiction he is famous for.
- fsloth 5y ago
  I think one of the points people like Stephenson is his sometimes slow, semi rambling erudition on a matter of things that a particular mindset finds an entirely thrilling. Most of his good stuff is about the world and the books are just lenses into queer and interesting things. Similar writers - Thomas Pynchon, Kurt Vonnegut, Umberto Eco, Douglas Adams. This slow ponderous style with brief moments of impactful plotting might not suit all.
- Mountain_Skies 5y ago
  You missed out on the part about how purchasing high quality furniture improves a marriage's sex quality.
- toofy 5y ago
  I’m a fan of stephenson, but honestly i’d skip it. Its not one of his best to the degree that you should force yourself to read it—if the beginning doesn’t grab you, it’s not going to later as it doesn’t change much throughout the book, or the surrounding other three books. If you haven’t read snowcrash, grab that, it’s a fanatastic book.
stonogo 5y ago
The gold is intended to back the cryptocurrency that the modern-era folks are trying to get off the ground. An unassailable gold backing for the currency, plus the data haven project, was supposed to prevent genocide by making fascism more difficult to implement. I think.
fho 5y ago
Spoilers :-)