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Many anecdotal guesses are validated by this data. Doctors and agricultural workers are the obvious standouts, but I see a few more too. Us programmers stick t

by screye 5y ago

Many anecdotal guesses are validated by this data. Doctors and agricultural workers are the obvious standouts, but I see a few more too. Us programmers stick together. Quite a high rate of marrying within the community. Lawyers show a similarly high number. A criticism of the study, is that it does not normalize by how many of these professions are in the general population. So, it appears as though software analysts don't like intermarrying. However, the truth is that there simply aren't enough of them around, they are simply more likely to run into software engineers, so that's whom they marry most. IE. This study captures P(running into a profession) x P(preference for that profession). I would love to them model P(running into a profession), so that we could get the much juicer preferences of each group for various professions.

Izikiel43 5y ago
This is us only though. In my country, most programmers end up with psychologists, but because there are so many women psychologists and not a lot of female programmers.
- MonaroVXR 5y ago
  Which country?
  - Izikiel43 5y ago
    Argentina
PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
> Us programmers stick together. Quite a high rate of marrying within the community. nobody else would take our schtick ...
- deleted 5y ago
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beerandt 5y ago
Except many couples meet in school, where they'd be exposed to a disproportionate number of potential spouses within their own field of study, and maybe to a lesser extent others in related programs within the same college. Which would also be skewed by things like length of study and personality types attracted to particular interests. Eg, Doctors and lawyers often don't want to get married until after school, at which point they've primarily been around other doctors and lawyers for the previous 3-7 years.
- bumby 5y ago
  I’ve read that one reason wealth inequality is worse today is because high-education-high-income individuals want to marry other HEHI individuals whereas in the past this wasn’t the case. If the claim about the past is true, it seems to undermine your point
  - hadlock 5y ago
    Do you have a link to this article/study? I'd like to explore this concept more. I don't know if it's true but it certainly seems within the realm of possibility
    - bumby 5y ago
      I brought it up in another comment, but I believe it came from the book The Meritocracy Trap. Although, since I don't know the exact quote or underlying sources from memory, I could be mis-remembering
  - whakim 5y ago
    Social class seems to have always played an important role in marriage (e.g. Jane Austen as a primer on 19th-century upperclass British society), so I'm not sure it's fair to say that this is change from the past. But I think it's fair to say that it is a factor in concentrating wealth.
    - QuarterReptile 5y ago
908B64B197 5y ago
> Doctors and agricultural workers are the obvious standouts Doctor is one of the few profession that's available in the countryside, where 90% of the jobs will be in the agricultural sector. > So, it appears as though software analysts don't like intermarrying. However, the truth is that there simply aren't enough of them around, they are simply more likely to run into software engineers, so that's whom they marry most. They also broke down Software Engineers into a few different professional tittles. Computer Analyst Specialist sounds very... East Coast 90's.
- bumby 5y ago
  The data shows physicians predominantly marry other physicians and ag workers tend to marry other ag workers. Not that physicians and agricultural workers inter-marry
- opinion-is-bad 5y ago
  Even in rural areas, I doubt 90% ag workers is to be found in the United States. It takes shockingly few people to run a modern farm and the majority are owner-operated with zero employees. These areas will still have substantial rates of doctors, teachers, truckers, and service workers, among others.
chrisseaton 5y ago
> it appears as though software analysts don't like intermarrying What happened to 'software analysts'? Is that even a career today? Sounds like something straight out of the 80s. Is it a 'product owner'? But the real explanation is that realistically 90% of people meet their spouses in university.
- kens 5y ago
  On the topic of analysts, I've been wondering for a long time about "systems analyst" which used to be the cool job in computing in the 1980s but then essentially vanished. I was never quite sure what systems analysts did. Getting back to the data visualization, a lot of it seems to be that male-dominated jobs pair with female-dominated jobs, which isn't particularly surprising.
  - kube-system 5y ago
    Many of those “analyst” positions are now just labeled “architect” or “solutions engineer” instead.
- smnrchrds 5y ago
  You have to be a 'Computer Systems Analyst' to be eligible for TN status.
  - noodlesUK 5y ago
    Canada is often happy if you are an “engineer” which they are often very liberal about interpreting…
- ZephyrBlu 5y ago
  > But the real explanation is that realistically 90% of people meet their spouses in university This is very exaggerated. It seems like people who find their partner in university are in the minority these days.
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
dmurray 5y ago
> This study captures P(running into a profession) x P(preference for that profession). I would love to them model P(running into a profession), so that we could get the much juicer preferences of each group for various professions. The page links to a different visualization of the same data, [0] which attempts to control for the prevalence of a job within the population. Maybe it doesn't go far enough for you but that's a pretty big first step in that model. [0] https://flowingdata.com/2017/08/28/occupation-matchmaker/ https://flowingdata.com/2017/08/28/occupation-matchmaker/
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  > so that we could get the much juicer preferences of each group for various professions. You'd probably just get a bunch of data that tells you the more female a profession is the more it wants to marry up and the more male a profession is the more it wants to marry toward a profession with a lot of young women.

by screye 5y ago

Izikiel43 5y ago

This is us only though. In my country, most programmers end up with psychologists, but because there are so many women psychologists and not a lot of female programmers.

MonaroVXR 5y ago
Which country?
- Izikiel43 5y ago
  Argentina

PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago

> Us programmers stick together. Quite a high rate of marrying within the community. nobody else would take our schtick ...

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beerandt 5y ago

Except many couples meet in school, where they'd be exposed to a disproportionate number of potential spouses within their own field of study, and maybe to a lesser extent others in related programs within the same college. Which would also be skewed by things like length of study and personality types attracted to particular interests. Eg, Doctors and lawyers often don't want to get married until after school, at which point they've primarily been around other doctors and lawyers for the previous 3-7 years.

bumby 5y ago
I’ve read that one reason wealth inequality is worse today is because high-education-high-income individuals want to marry other HEHI individuals whereas in the past this wasn’t the case. If the claim about the past is true, it seems to undermine your point
- hadlock 5y ago
  Do you have a link to this article/study? I'd like to explore this concept more. I don't know if it's true but it certainly seems within the realm of possibility
  - bumby 5y ago
    I brought it up in another comment, but I believe it came from the book The Meritocracy Trap. Although, since I don't know the exact quote or underlying sources from memory, I could be mis-remembering
- whakim 5y ago
  Social class seems to have always played an important role in marriage (e.g. Jane Austen as a primer on 19th-century upperclass British society), so I'm not sure it's fair to say that this is change from the past. But I think it's fair to say that it is a factor in concentrating wealth.
  - QuarterReptile 5y ago

908B64B197 5y ago

> Doctors and agricultural workers are the obvious standouts Doctor is one of the few profession that's available in the countryside, where 90% of the jobs will be in the agricultural sector. > So, it appears as though software analysts don't like intermarrying. However, the truth is that there simply aren't enough of them around, they are simply more likely to run into software engineers, so that's whom they marry most. They also broke down Software Engineers into a few different professional tittles. Computer Analyst Specialist sounds very... East Coast 90's.

bumby 5y ago
The data shows physicians predominantly marry other physicians and ag workers tend to marry other ag workers. Not that physicians and agricultural workers inter-marry
opinion-is-bad 5y ago
Even in rural areas, I doubt 90% ag workers is to be found in the United States. It takes shockingly few people to run a modern farm and the majority are owner-operated with zero employees. These areas will still have substantial rates of doctors, teachers, truckers, and service workers, among others.

chrisseaton 5y ago

> it appears as though software analysts don't like intermarrying What happened to 'software analysts'? Is that even a career today? Sounds like something straight out of the 80s. Is it a 'product owner'? But the real explanation is that realistically 90% of people meet their spouses in university.

kens 5y ago
On the topic of analysts, I've been wondering for a long time about "systems analyst" which used to be the cool job in computing in the 1980s but then essentially vanished. I was never quite sure what systems analysts did. Getting back to the data visualization, a lot of it seems to be that male-dominated jobs pair with female-dominated jobs, which isn't particularly surprising.
- kube-system 5y ago
  Many of those “analyst” positions are now just labeled “architect” or “solutions engineer” instead.
smnrchrds 5y ago
You have to be a 'Computer Systems Analyst' to be eligible for TN status.
- noodlesUK 5y ago
  Canada is often happy if you are an “engineer” which they are often very liberal about interpreting…
ZephyrBlu 5y ago
> But the real explanation is that realistically 90% of people meet their spouses in university This is very exaggerated. It seems like people who find their partner in university are in the minority these days.
- chrisseaton 5y ago

dmurray 5y ago

> This study captures P(running into a profession) x P(preference for that profession). I would love to them model P(running into a profession), so that we could get the much juicer preferences of each group for various professions. The page links to a different visualization of the same data, [0] which attempts to control for the prevalence of a job within the population. Maybe it doesn't go far enough for you but that's a pretty big first step in that model. [0] https://flowingdata.com/2017/08/28/occupation-matchmaker/ https://flowingdata.com/2017/08/28/occupation-matchmaker/

throwaway0a5e 5y ago
> so that we could get the much juicer preferences of each group for various professions. You'd probably just get a bunch of data that tells you the more female a profession is the more it wants to marry up and the more male a profession is the more it wants to marry toward a profession with a lot of young women.