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Is creativity going to be the first major human trait upended by AI? I feel like the trope has always been "But the robots will never be able to express beauty

Is creativity going to be the first major human trait upended by AI? I feel like the trope has always been "But the robots will never be able to express beauty/art/music/prose like humans". However it seems that all early AI is focused on and doing surprisingly well at creative pursuits. If someone rattled off words like this I would be amazed at their creativity.

robbedpeter 5y ago
We're finding that stuff we thought would be impossibly hard is subject to brute force using simple constructs, and stuff we thought would be simple is proving incredibly difficult. Moravec's paradox in action: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravec%27s_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravec%27s_paradox
- dan_mctree 5y ago
  Funnily the stated definition seems to fall for its own trap. Perception, here named as a particularly hard thing is something AI is starting to get pretty good at. Mobility lags behind a little, but we've seen some incredible demonstrations there too. Perhaps it's always the things that are on our awareness horizon which seem hard but end up solvable. What's next? Perhaps long term planning, interference and on the fly learning? And then what are the difficult things beyond that horizon, the challenges we can't even see yet?
jstx1 5y ago
First trait? What about computation, memory and logical reasoning? Computers crush people at all of these and have been doing them so well for so long that you don't think of it as AI. Still, definitely not the first human trait that computers can beat. Creativity is hard to talk about in this context for a bunch of reasons - it's hard to define, I don't think it's that impressive in humans, AI models are already decent at creative tasks like image and music generation but those are all based on training examples...
- freejazz 5y ago
  I wonder how long until an AI can do well on the logical reasoning section of the LSAT. My guess is not anytime soon.

robbedpeter 5y ago

We're finding that stuff we thought would be impossibly hard is subject to brute force using simple constructs, and stuff we thought would be simple is proving incredibly difficult. Moravec's paradox in action: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravec%27s_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravec%27s_paradox

dan_mctree 5y ago
Funnily the stated definition seems to fall for its own trap. Perception, here named as a particularly hard thing is something AI is starting to get pretty good at. Mobility lags behind a little, but we've seen some incredible demonstrations there too. Perhaps it's always the things that are on our awareness horizon which seem hard but end up solvable. What's next? Perhaps long term planning, interference and on the fly learning? And then what are the difficult things beyond that horizon, the challenges we can't even see yet?

jstx1 5y ago

First trait? What about computation, memory and logical reasoning? Computers crush people at all of these and have been doing them so well for so long that you don't think of it as AI. Still, definitely not the first human trait that computers can beat. Creativity is hard to talk about in this context for a bunch of reasons - it's hard to define, I don't think it's that impressive in humans, AI models are already decent at creative tasks like image and music generation but those are all based on training examples...

freejazz 5y ago
I wonder how long until an AI can do well on the logical reasoning section of the LSAT. My guess is not anytime soon.