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> Purely on the content of the article: Given that the messages are not stored encrypted locally and that this service is connected to the US, I do not see how

> Purely on the content of the article: Given that the messages are not stored encrypted locally and that this service is connected to the US, I do not see how it can be viable for the privacy-conscious. Matrix chats (direct and group) are E2E by default. There is no bridge that will let you keep E2E encryption between Signal/WhatsApp and another service - it has to be broken somewhere. I believe Element is a UK company. The blog post on This Week In Matrix states it uses modified versions of the open source (and self hostable) Mautrix bridges which are primarily built by tulir [2] of Beeper [3]: https://matrix.org/blog/category/this-week-in-matrix#element-one https://matrix.org/blog/category/this-week-in-matrix#element... > However, in addition to being a fast, snappy Matrix account, it also comes with unlimited personal bridging to Whatsapp, Signal and Telegram thanks to mautrix-whatsapp/signal/telegram! [2]:https://github.com/tulir https://github.com/tulir [3]: https://www.beeper.com/ https://www.beeper.com/

temptemptemp111 5y ago
What's the point of storing "locally encrypted" when every decent security setup has filesystem encryption these days?
jelv 5y ago
From there Terms of Service: Where you read 'Element' or 'we' or 'us' below, it refers to Element, a trading name of New Vector Ltd., its French subsidiary: New Vector SARL, its U.S. subsidiary: Element Software Inc, and their agents. https://element.io/terms-of-service https://element.io/terms-of-service So UK, French and US.
krageon 5y ago
> There is no bridge that will let you keep E2E encryption between Signal/WhatsApp and another service - it has to be broken somewhere Yes, but it doesn't have to be stored plain on a completely untrusted (because again, the company touches the US - that is an ideologically privacy-hostile space) server. This makes data collection much easier, including data collection of data in the past (as opposed to only communication from a certain point in time, as with an ongoing tap of the machine itself). > The blog post on This Week In Matrix Thank you :)

temptemptemp111 5y ago

What's the point of storing "locally encrypted" when every decent security setup has filesystem encryption these days?

jelv 5y ago

From there Terms of Service: Where you read 'Element' or 'we' or 'us' below, it refers to Element, a trading name of New Vector Ltd., its French subsidiary: New Vector SARL, its U.S. subsidiary: Element Software Inc, and their agents. https://element.io/terms-of-service https://element.io/terms-of-service So UK, French and US.

krageon 5y ago

> There is no bridge that will let you keep E2E encryption between Signal/WhatsApp and another service - it has to be broken somewhere Yes, but it doesn't have to be stored plain on a completely untrusted (because again, the company touches the US - that is an ideologically privacy-hostile space) server. This makes data collection much easier, including data collection of data in the past (as opposed to only communication from a certain point in time, as with an ongoing tap of the machine itself). > The blog post on This Week In Matrix Thank you :)