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This seems like a deflection - every media platform on the internet relies on the advertising platforms of BigTech in some way. Ultimately, all your data end up

This seems like a deflection - every media platform on the internet relies on the advertising platforms of BigTech in some way. Ultimately, all your data end up there somehow.

medstrom 5y ago
Yes, it's not very relevant for an opinion piece how and where it's published. I could make a video that criticises YouTube and it still makes sense to put it on YouTube.
krageon 5y ago
This is fatalistic and wrong. There are plenty of platforms that do not sell you out in this manner (personal blogs run by ethical people exist, for one) and the platforms that do not deserve to be called out for their bad behaviour.
- webmobdev 5y ago
  Ok, I get that some of you think it is hypocritical. Now that has been exposed - Does that mean the article is irrelevant? Do the facts change that Apple has been shifting and redefining its stance on user privacy and data collection to suit its business at the expense of its users privacy?
  - krageon 5y ago
    Apple has always been evil and buying it's goods has never been a good idea. I have not disputed that.
    - bottled_poe 5y ago
      great, and which altruistic companies should we buy from instead?
      - fsflover 5y ago
        Purism.
      - matheusmoreira 5y ago
        The pinephone seems like a pretty good option.
jmull 5y ago
It seems relevant to me. Wired is trying to redefine “surveillance” to mean people collecting and sharing their own information, while at the same time conducting real, detailed surveillance on anyone reading this article. You might wonder if they being completely disingenuous.
- webmobdev 5y ago
  Has Wired, like Apple, claimed at any time that it won't do so? Can't you read the article for free on Wired, unlike with Apple products that you have to pay for and still are subject to excessive data collections that you often have no control over? (And it's the ad platforms that are doing the detailed surveillance - similar to the one Apple is working on again to serve better" personalised ads"). Even if some of you do believe this is hypocrisy, does it in anyway change the facts highlighted in the article?
  - selsta 5y ago
    Apple asks you if you want personalized ads in the app store and news app: https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/2/22654121/apple-personalized-ads-ios-15-prompt-app-tracking https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/2/22654121/apple-personalize...
  - matheusmoreira 5y ago
    > Has Wired, like Apple, claimed at any time that it won't do so? Do the stalkers ever defend themselves by claiming they never said they wouldn't stalk people? No, that's an utterly ridicuous notion. Stalking is illegal, nobody likes being surveilled by some stranger at all times. Whether they warned the victim of their intent is completely irrelevant.
    - webmobdev 5y ago
      If that same analogy were applied to Apple, it would be the manipulative and abusive boyfriend in this context.

This seems like a deflection - every media platform on the internet relies on the advertising platforms of BigTech in some way. Ultimately, all your data end up there somehow.

medstrom 5y ago

Yes, it's not very relevant for an opinion piece how and where it's published. I could make a video that criticises YouTube and it still makes sense to put it on YouTube.

krageon 5y ago

This is fatalistic and wrong. There are plenty of platforms that do not sell you out in this manner (personal blogs run by ethical people exist, for one) and the platforms that do not deserve to be called out for their bad behaviour.

webmobdev 5y ago
Ok, I get that some of you think it is hypocritical. Now that has been exposed - Does that mean the article is irrelevant? Do the facts change that Apple has been shifting and redefining its stance on user privacy and data collection to suit its business at the expense of its users privacy?
- krageon 5y ago
  Apple has always been evil and buying it's goods has never been a good idea. I have not disputed that.
  - bottled_poe 5y ago
    great, and which altruistic companies should we buy from instead?
    - fsflover 5y ago
      Purism.
    - matheusmoreira 5y ago
      The pinephone seems like a pretty good option.

jmull 5y ago

It seems relevant to me. Wired is trying to redefine “surveillance” to mean people collecting and sharing their own information, while at the same time conducting real, detailed surveillance on anyone reading this article. You might wonder if they being completely disingenuous.

webmobdev 5y ago
Has Wired, like Apple, claimed at any time that it won't do so? Can't you read the article for free on Wired, unlike with Apple products that you have to pay for and still are subject to excessive data collections that you often have no control over? (And it's the ad platforms that are doing the detailed surveillance - similar to the one Apple is working on again to serve better" personalised ads"). Even if some of you do believe this is hypocrisy, does it in anyway change the facts highlighted in the article?
- selsta 5y ago
  Apple asks you if you want personalized ads in the app store and news app: https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/2/22654121/apple-personalized-ads-ios-15-prompt-app-tracking https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/2/22654121/apple-personalize...
- matheusmoreira 5y ago
  > Has Wired, like Apple, claimed at any time that it won't do so? Do the stalkers ever defend themselves by claiming they never said they wouldn't stalk people? No, that's an utterly ridicuous notion. Stalking is illegal, nobody likes being surveilled by some stranger at all times. Whether they warned the victim of their intent is completely irrelevant.
  - webmobdev 5y ago
    If that same analogy were applied to Apple, it would be the manipulative and abusive boyfriend in this context.