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An AMD Ryzen 9 5950X cost $700 and is almost 2x faster than an m1 max in multi core.
by Thaxll 5y ago
An AMD Ryzen 9 5950X cost $700 and is almost 2x faster than an m1 max in multi core.
- glasshead969 5y agoIt has to be 3x faster to match M1's efficiency given the TDP is 30 vs 105.
- Thaxll 5y agoI could care less about efficiency, it's still 2x faster for 2/3x less expensive. Isn't the m1 max tdp between 60 and 90w?
- glasshead969 5y agoIts 60-90w including GPU.
- arcticbull 5y agoWell yes but ones a laptop chip with a 17 hour life and the other I’ve got under my desk heating my entire condo lol
- interstice 5y agoIf you could conceivably run a chip at a much higher TDP before hitting thermal limits you could get significantly more performance. Not that you can (probably) OC these chips at all but it suggests there may be more rabbits in the bag.
- jbverschoor 5y agoYou're comparing a single CPU with a complete machine
- speed_spread 5y agoIf you're plugged in all the time, lower TDP is nice but not critical. And if you live in a cold country, you have to heat up the house six months per year, TDP is just heating with a computing side effect.
- new_realist 5y agoA hot laptop can have significant impacts on fertility in men. And in the summer you have to dissipate that heat. A heat pump is more efficient for heating, to boot.
- uuddlrlr 5y agoIt's a temporary infertility, at least.
- TYPE_FASTER 5y agoThis winter I'm going to experiment with having a Raspberry Pi act as a thermostat that starts/stops containers running on a server in our basement. That, combined with the laptop we just got for gaming that has a 3070 in it, should do nicely to supplement our heating system.
- Uehreka 5y agoWatts go in, Watts come out. So basically, find a space heater with the TDP of your server, and that’s the upper bound on what you can expect heating-wise. I know that’s a bummer for people who want to heat their house with their computer, but Thermodynamics is always a bummer, I don’t make the Laws.
- buildbot 5y agoThat's why I heat my house with a dell C4140! The _lowest_ power throttle it has is 1.4KW.
- matheusmoreira 5y ago> So basically, find a space heater with the TDP of your server, and that’s the upper bound on what you can expect heating-wise. I wonder how many CPUs I need to build a cryptocurrency miner water heater... That would be so much better than just wasting energy heating up dumb elements.
- bparrish0 5y ago
- microtonal 5y agoExcept in benchmarks outside GeekBench it isn't. See e.g. the last graph in https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performance-review/5 https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performanc... The 5950X is only 55% faster than the M1 Max on multi-threaded integer benchmarks. The M1 Max is even 26% faster than the 5950X on multi-threaded FP benchmarks (maybe it has two AMX units?). The M1 Max is really in 5900X/5950X territory... in a laptop. I agree on the pricing (I also have a 5900X and a 5950X machine). But it is fantastic that we can have that kind of performance in a mobile device and still have many hours of battery life. We should complement both AMD and Apple and be happy that we finally have serious competitors to Intel. AMD has managed to compete with and outrun Intel from the an initial position of an also-ran underdog. I think the M1 line is more impressive technically than Ryzen, given the very low TDPs. But Apple has vastly more budget and much more opportunity for vertical integration. Both companies have done impressive work the last few years.
- Tade0 5y ago> I think the M1 line is more impressive technically than Ryzen, given the very low TDPs. I would say TSMC's 5nm process is more impressive technically than TSMC's 7nm process, which are used here respectively. I think Apple will still win on a per Watt basis even when AMD starts using the current-generation process, but the question is: by how much?
- guywhocodes 5y agoThis is the real question, my money is on 5-10%.
- em500 5y agoIn Geekbench Multi-Core, the 5950X is only 33% faster (at 16.6k) than the M1 Max (which benches around 12.5k). So the difference is actually smaller than in SPEC that Anandtech uses. For all the dissing of Geekbench, I found it to actually correlate pretty closely with supposedly more elaborate benchmarks like SPEC. (The writing was on the wall for Apple Silicon performance for many years, when the iPhone/iPad Ax CPUs where catching up and surpassing laptop CPUs in Geekbench, but lots of people dismissed it because it was just Geekbench...). To get some context of the M1 Pro/Max perf, people should take a look at https://browser.geekbench.com/processor-benchmarks https://browser.geekbench.com/processor-benchmarks, sort by Multi-Core, and slot the M1 Pro/Max in at around 12500.
- mmgutz 5y agoI'm an AMD fan. The comparison should not even be close TBH. We're talking about a laptop chip that can run on battery for an extended period of time that performs as well and sometimes better than the high end consumer AMD desktop chip. Kudos to Apple. I'm not suprised. Apple has the lead in the fabrication process, 5nm vs 7nm. I eagerly await a true apples to apples comparison when AMD uses the same 5nm process.
- pmontra 5y agoI'm definitely not an Apple fan but what's available on the market at any given moment is an apple to apple comparison of what companies are able to do. I mean: any modern army (or pary of) would crush Roman legions, but they had to do it 2000 years ago. The article ends wondering about the impact on PC OEMs. I presume they are extrapolating the performance improvement curves, talking with Microsoft about Windows on ARM and working at HW contingency plans in case they have to leave a sinking x86 ship. I don't think they are resting on promises of big improvements from AMD and Intel.
- Dagonfly 5y agoOk, lets build an equivalent PC. These are prices in Germany (incl. VAT): A 14' Macbook Pro (M1 Max with 32 GPU cores, 32 GB RAM, 512 GB storage) is 3440€. A PC: 5950X (750€), 32GB RAM (150€), Mainboard (130€), WD SN850 500GB (90€). Now if you build from scratch you need a PSU, CPU cooler and a case (~200€ together). That's 1320€ without a GPU. Depending on your workload the GPU performance seems to be between a desktop 3060 and 3080. So between 700€ and 1400€. Tl;dr: A 3440€ Macbook competes with a 2000-2700€ desktop depending on your workload. The desktop has no peripherals and no USB4/TB4.
- salamandersauce 5y agoTBF GPU prices are nonsensical at this point in time. The MSRP of a 3060 Ti is $400, a 3080 should be $700.
- carlob 5y agoI wonder how much a comparable desktop monitor would add to that. On the other hand I really want to give the keyboard a shot before I pull the trigger, after 3 years of Thinkpad I think that will be the real pain point...
- pier25 5y agoYou'd need to add a HiDPI HDR screen too.
- beowulfey 5y agoThat’s amazing that it’s not even twice as good!