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In most cases, well publicised censorship of art backfires and provides more notoriety and fans for the artist.

by calsy 5y ago

adrr 5y ago
Youtube doesn't care. It can't have antivax stuff on their platform because advertisers don't want their ads on controversial content.
- calsy 5y ago
  What connection is there to ads and content? It’s a random (to a degree) ad selected by youtube you can’t wait to close so you watch your chosen content. Further, videos are not outright banned on behalf of advertisers, only demonetised. Also, whether you agree or not, there would be advertisers who wish to target this audience. There isn’t a shared moral code that all advertisers abide by. Somethings very wrong when advertisers are acting as content moderators.
- Snetry 5y ago
  advertisers don't care as long as no one points it out
- poorjohnmacafee 5y ago
  I think that's changing as challenging the vaccine efficacy or risk profile has become less controversial in the last month. Been sent about half a dozen videos in last week with high viewership and they haven't been removed. This is probably because all of Northern Europe has essentially banned Moderna due to myocarditis risk, and data from many countries, even the CDC's own, show the vaccinated now getting infected at similar rates as unvaccinated (i.e. antibody drop off or virus mutation). EDIT Responding to person who wants to learn more, I'm going in good faith that you're not the ad hominem type. Given the climate of cancellation and censorship not a lot of people are speaking up, so take what you can get... The recent Joe Rogan episode with Berenson is a review of quite a few papers and government data sets which they parse. Watch it on Spotify. You're going to get intro'd to data from Israel, UK, CDC, others about vaccine efficacy and about adverse events in young people due to inflammation from accumulation of spike protein. CDC's most recent data shows 40% of covid deaths over last week were of the vaccinated, e.g. relevant screen shots from CDC's website via this random guy, https://twitter.com/SteveDeaceShow/status/1451653752889516040 https://twitter.com/SteveDeaceShow/status/145165375288951604... You can certainly google Northern Europe's halt on Moderna (either for youth or for all). Sweden just halted today, e.g. Shttps://www.zerohedge.com/political/sweden-suspends-moderna-shot-indefinitely-after-vaxxed-patients-develop-crippling-heart https://www.zerohedge.com/political/sweden-suspends-moderna-... There's a lot on YT, round table discussions with medical professionals are the most interesting. I've observed the same censorious culture on HN as on social media when it comes to vaccines, so I'm not going to share links so they can stay up for others who are making difficult decisions. You can find them by poking around accounts on Twitter Gab Substack of people who are speaking out against vaccine mandates or related.
  - inside65 5y ago
    Any links I can read more about this?
    - yesbut 5y ago
      In regards to covid in particular: > Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/
      - api 5y ago
        Look at rates of hospitalization and death. It appears that the Moderna vaccine at least is very effective at reducing severity but does not prevent infection (or does not do so well enough). This ironically makes it more dangerous to not be vaccinated since vaccinated people are more likely to be asymptomatic carriers. I’ll take it over nothing. It’s damn good for getting a vaccine in a year. There will probably be better ones in 2-3 years.
    - op00to 5y ago
      No, because it’s not true. You can however read the CDC report that shows vaccines are still hugely effective in preventing death. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e1.htm?s_cid=mm7043e1_w https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e1.htm?s_cid=mm...
  - Retric 5y ago
    That’s misinformation. Antibody drop off is supposed to happen, it’s different than reduced vaccine effectiveness. Childhood vaccination for measles for example provides near lifetime protection via the adaptive immune systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_B_cell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_B_cell Which cuts days from how quickly the body can respond to infections. When people of similar age and health with and without vaccination die at similar rates then you can say their ineffective. There is a short term boost from antibodies after an infection or vaccination, but they don’t prevent infection they just reduce infections to the point where we don’t notice.
- jeofken 5y ago
  When I advertise to consumers, it is not important to me that they believe vaccination against COVID-19 is good or not. I really struggle to think of any company for which it is important that their customers are not sceptical of vaccinations? Maybe airlines and hotels. Since I can’t see how any company would want to reject customers for making certain decisions about their health or not, it appears to me that it rather is forces within Google, Facebook, and Twitter that do not want any voice critical of their line to be shown. For this reason they (shadow)ban people expressing forbidden or politically incorrect worldviews.
  - reaperducer 5y ago
    I really struggle to think of any company for which it is important that their customers are not sceptical of vaccinations? So you've never heard of the entire healthcare industry? Aside from healthcare, every company of a reasonable size wants people to get vaccinated so that the supply chain can be repaired and they can go back to selling things the way they used to.
    - jtbayly 5y ago
      This is a really funny take on the supply chain problems. I guess it's always fun to blame the deplorables, but you might want to read about what the actual problems with the supply chain are, including on the front page of HN.
    - clairity 5y ago
      have you never heard of conflict of interest and availability bias? also, reasonable people understand that vaccines aren't the limiting factor to supply chains or business, it's politics.
  - unethical_ban 5y ago
    Many consumers may see you advertising (providing monetary support to) conspiracy theorists, and boycott you for it. Advertisers have to be concerned about being associated with "personae non gratae".
- _yoqn 5y ago
  This is definitely what I would call a "wrong Why"
- finite_jest 5y ago
  I don't think that is true. At the very least, they can classify these kind of things (and probably already do) and let advertisers choose if they want their ads on them or not.
- swayvil 5y ago
  EVerybody's paycheck depends on pretending to take the vax seriously. From the walmart cashiers to the advertising execs. It's a good joke.
chuckee 5y ago
But how often is it well publicized?
fullshark 5y ago
In most of the cases you remember you mean, in the vast majority of the time you never heard about it and it was successful.
- deleted 5y ago
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In most cases, well publicised censorship of art backfires and provides more notoriety and fans for the artist.

by calsy 5y ago

In most cases, well publicised censorship of art backfires and provides more notoriety and fans for the artist.

adrr 5y ago

Youtube doesn't care. It can't have antivax stuff on their platform because advertisers don't want their ads on controversial content.

calsy 5y ago
What connection is there to ads and content? It’s a random (to a degree) ad selected by youtube you can’t wait to close so you watch your chosen content. Further, videos are not outright banned on behalf of advertisers, only demonetised. Also, whether you agree or not, there would be advertisers who wish to target this audience. There isn’t a shared moral code that all advertisers abide by. Somethings very wrong when advertisers are acting as content moderators.
Snetry 5y ago
advertisers don't care as long as no one points it out
poorjohnmacafee 5y ago
I think that's changing as challenging the vaccine efficacy or risk profile has become less controversial in the last month. Been sent about half a dozen videos in last week with high viewership and they haven't been removed. This is probably because all of Northern Europe has essentially banned Moderna due to myocarditis risk, and data from many countries, even the CDC's own, show the vaccinated now getting infected at similar rates as unvaccinated (i.e. antibody drop off or virus mutation). EDIT Responding to person who wants to learn more, I'm going in good faith that you're not the ad hominem type. Given the climate of cancellation and censorship not a lot of people are speaking up, so take what you can get... The recent Joe Rogan episode with Berenson is a review of quite a few papers and government data sets which they parse. Watch it on Spotify. You're going to get intro'd to data from Israel, UK, CDC, others about vaccine efficacy and about adverse events in young people due to inflammation from accumulation of spike protein. CDC's most recent data shows 40% of covid deaths over last week were of the vaccinated, e.g. relevant screen shots from CDC's website via this random guy, https://twitter.com/SteveDeaceShow/status/1451653752889516040 https://twitter.com/SteveDeaceShow/status/145165375288951604... You can certainly google Northern Europe's halt on Moderna (either for youth or for all). Sweden just halted today, e.g. Shttps://www.zerohedge.com/political/sweden-suspends-moderna-shot-indefinitely-after-vaxxed-patients-develop-crippling-heart https://www.zerohedge.com/political/sweden-suspends-moderna-... There's a lot on YT, round table discussions with medical professionals are the most interesting. I've observed the same censorious culture on HN as on social media when it comes to vaccines, so I'm not going to share links so they can stay up for others who are making difficult decisions. You can find them by poking around accounts on Twitter Gab Substack of people who are speaking out against vaccine mandates or related.
- inside65 5y ago
  Any links I can read more about this?
  - yesbut 5y ago
    In regards to covid in particular: > Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/
    - api 5y ago
      Look at rates of hospitalization and death. It appears that the Moderna vaccine at least is very effective at reducing severity but does not prevent infection (or does not do so well enough). This ironically makes it more dangerous to not be vaccinated since vaccinated people are more likely to be asymptomatic carriers. I’ll take it over nothing. It’s damn good for getting a vaccine in a year. There will probably be better ones in 2-3 years.
  - op00to 5y ago
    No, because it’s not true. You can however read the CDC report that shows vaccines are still hugely effective in preventing death. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e1.htm?s_cid=mm7043e1_w https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e1.htm?s_cid=mm...
- Retric 5y ago
  That’s misinformation. Antibody drop off is supposed to happen, it’s different than reduced vaccine effectiveness. Childhood vaccination for measles for example provides near lifetime protection via the adaptive immune systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_B_cell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_B_cell Which cuts days from how quickly the body can respond to infections. When people of similar age and health with and without vaccination die at similar rates then you can say their ineffective. There is a short term boost from antibodies after an infection or vaccination, but they don’t prevent infection they just reduce infections to the point where we don’t notice.
jeofken 5y ago
When I advertise to consumers, it is not important to me that they believe vaccination against COVID-19 is good or not. I really struggle to think of any company for which it is important that their customers are not sceptical of vaccinations? Maybe airlines and hotels. Since I can’t see how any company would want to reject customers for making certain decisions about their health or not, it appears to me that it rather is forces within Google, Facebook, and Twitter that do not want any voice critical of their line to be shown. For this reason they (shadow)ban people expressing forbidden or politically incorrect worldviews.
- reaperducer 5y ago
  I really struggle to think of any company for which it is important that their customers are not sceptical of vaccinations? So you've never heard of the entire healthcare industry? Aside from healthcare, every company of a reasonable size wants people to get vaccinated so that the supply chain can be repaired and they can go back to selling things the way they used to.
  - jtbayly 5y ago
    This is a really funny take on the supply chain problems. I guess it's always fun to blame the deplorables, but you might want to read about what the actual problems with the supply chain are, including on the front page of HN.
  - clairity 5y ago
    have you never heard of conflict of interest and availability bias? also, reasonable people understand that vaccines aren't the limiting factor to supply chains or business, it's politics.
- unethical_ban 5y ago
  Many consumers may see you advertising (providing monetary support to) conspiracy theorists, and boycott you for it. Advertisers have to be concerned about being associated with "personae non gratae".
_yoqn 5y ago
This is definitely what I would call a "wrong Why"
finite_jest 5y ago
I don't think that is true. At the very least, they can classify these kind of things (and probably already do) and let advertisers choose if they want their ads on them or not.
swayvil 5y ago
EVerybody's paycheck depends on pretending to take the vax seriously. From the walmart cashiers to the advertising execs. It's a good joke.

chuckee 5y ago

But how often is it well publicized?

fullshark 5y ago

In most of the cases you remember you mean, in the vast majority of the time you never heard about it and it was successful.

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