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“ In this article, I'll describe the details of how the Covid Pass works in my country and how it affects my family.” the author should tell us he how being un

“ In this article, I'll describe the details of how the Covid Pass works in my country and how it affects my family.” the author should tell us he how being unvaccinated affects those in need of hospitalisation but cant access it since ICU are swamped by those who could have avoided hospitalisation is vaxxed. the selfishness is utterly appalling and i fail to understand why the eu keeps financing these states. have a large mass of unvaccinated people? deal with the next waves yourselves and dont send your covidiots to work in our countries. simple as that.

ajvs 5y ago
Replace unvaccinated with fat people or smokers who are a far greater burden on the health system, yet you don't see this moral grandstanding about them.
- robbiep 5y ago
  But the health system is engineered to cope with the base load, and there are also many public health measures designed to try and move their behaviour to more healthy ones as well. Just because the magnitude of the covid/infectious disease response we are seeing now is so strong is only because the burden of disease is so high. There are always anti smoking and exercise/healthy eating measures, but they pale into the background given the lack of acuity… much to public health officials dismay
- orwin 5y ago
  The amount of effort asked is not the same. The amount of time is not the same. And by the way, obese and smokers do pay a premium on life insurance, and probably medical insurance too.
- dumdum321 5y ago
  I dint know many people catching the fat or the smoke. But yes good point - smokers are segregated and not allowed to smoke inside, so whats your point? Next on hackernews: the earth is flat.
y4mi 5y ago
Most of the nations where these kinds of restrictions are in place aren't in danger of getting their hospitals swamped to that degree. It might be correlated (they might not be in danger of this because they have said restrictions), but that makes it very hard to convince people. I personally do think that restrictions at this point are kinda pointless (at least in Europe). We've had enough time to get vaccinated and unless we're planning to live with these restrictions forever now, there is little point on keeping them active. Postponing it more makes it worse on my opinion, because the vaccines lose potency with time. But I'm just a random person from the internet.
- orwin 5y ago
  > Most of the nations where these kinds of restrictions are in place aren't in danger of getting their hospitals swamped to that degree. Yes, but i'll tell you, the physicians are fed up (or at least the emergency physician i know is). Working in a hospital during the crisis was not pro-bono, but close. His 70-hour weeks for 6 week and his "vacations" (known as week-end for the rest of us) for the remaining of 2020 did burn him a bit. At least he got some "thank you". Did you ever had a client (or a boss) that wanted you to implement something that you knew would create issues, and ignored your advices. You helped him anyway, mitigated the loss because you worked harder than your were paid to, even taking time of your week-end to help. He said thank you, but did not offer a significant pay raise. Then, 4 month later, the EXACT same thing happen. Do you focus on other client? Do you quit to find a new job? I wouldn't be mad if my cousin refused to take care of Covid patients, especially unvaccinated ones. I know he morally, physically, can't but tbh i would've quit last year if i where him. I guess that's why i'm not in the field.
  - robbiep 5y ago
    The president of the AMA in Victoria (australia) 2 days ago came out saying that non vaccinated people should sign advanced care directives to opt out of resus care given their choices. It has been panned by the national AMA and the past president as well as a very strong majority of doctors here (we did, after all, take a vow and the idea that you withhold care from people is really quite unthinkable) but absolutely many in the medical profession are really tired of what’s going on when there is an easily available and unfortunately politicised option that will reduce your risk of needing hospital care by 70-90%
_dain_ 5y ago
Demanding the right to basic participation in society is not "selfishness". This Corona pass regime is utterly insidious and evil, and nobody should submit to this moral blackmail about overloaded hospitals. The effect of vaccination on hospital admission is ... equivocal, at best. Check out the numbers for Scotland, for example: https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/another-brief-look-at-vaccine-performance https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/another-brief-look-at-vacci...
AndrewUnmuted 5y ago
I presume you would apply the same logic to those in your own nation that smoke cigarettes, who don't get enough physical exercise, and who eat poorly - yes? Those all appear to be far more likely indicators of hospitalization than your vaccination status, after all. Furthermore, when these overweight smokers with poor diet seek other care for their primary illnesses, I would imagine they get thrown onto the streets and told to get to the back of the line so that the more deserving people can get care first?

ajvs 5y ago

Replace unvaccinated with fat people or smokers who are a far greater burden on the health system, yet you don't see this moral grandstanding about them.

robbiep 5y ago
But the health system is engineered to cope with the base load, and there are also many public health measures designed to try and move their behaviour to more healthy ones as well. Just because the magnitude of the covid/infectious disease response we are seeing now is so strong is only because the burden of disease is so high. There are always anti smoking and exercise/healthy eating measures, but they pale into the background given the lack of acuity… much to public health officials dismay
orwin 5y ago
The amount of effort asked is not the same. The amount of time is not the same. And by the way, obese and smokers do pay a premium on life insurance, and probably medical insurance too.
dumdum321 5y ago
I dint know many people catching the fat or the smoke. But yes good point - smokers are segregated and not allowed to smoke inside, so whats your point? Next on hackernews: the earth is flat.

y4mi 5y ago

Most of the nations where these kinds of restrictions are in place aren't in danger of getting their hospitals swamped to that degree. It might be correlated (they might not be in danger of this because they have said restrictions), but that makes it very hard to convince people. I personally do think that restrictions at this point are kinda pointless (at least in Europe). We've had enough time to get vaccinated and unless we're planning to live with these restrictions forever now, there is little point on keeping them active. Postponing it more makes it worse on my opinion, because the vaccines lose potency with time. But I'm just a random person from the internet.

orwin 5y ago
> Most of the nations where these kinds of restrictions are in place aren't in danger of getting their hospitals swamped to that degree. Yes, but i'll tell you, the physicians are fed up (or at least the emergency physician i know is). Working in a hospital during the crisis was not pro-bono, but close. His 70-hour weeks for 6 week and his "vacations" (known as week-end for the rest of us) for the remaining of 2020 did burn him a bit. At least he got some "thank you". Did you ever had a client (or a boss) that wanted you to implement something that you knew would create issues, and ignored your advices. You helped him anyway, mitigated the loss because you worked harder than your were paid to, even taking time of your week-end to help. He said thank you, but did not offer a significant pay raise. Then, 4 month later, the EXACT same thing happen. Do you focus on other client? Do you quit to find a new job? I wouldn't be mad if my cousin refused to take care of Covid patients, especially unvaccinated ones. I know he morally, physically, can't but tbh i would've quit last year if i where him. I guess that's why i'm not in the field.
- robbiep 5y ago
  The president of the AMA in Victoria (australia) 2 days ago came out saying that non vaccinated people should sign advanced care directives to opt out of resus care given their choices. It has been panned by the national AMA and the past president as well as a very strong majority of doctors here (we did, after all, take a vow and the idea that you withhold care from people is really quite unthinkable) but absolutely many in the medical profession are really tired of what’s going on when there is an easily available and unfortunately politicised option that will reduce your risk of needing hospital care by 70-90%

_dain_ 5y ago

Demanding the right to basic participation in society is not "selfishness". This Corona pass regime is utterly insidious and evil, and nobody should submit to this moral blackmail about overloaded hospitals. The effect of vaccination on hospital admission is ... equivocal, at best. Check out the numbers for Scotland, for example: https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/another-brief-look-at-vaccine-performance https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/another-brief-look-at-vacci...

AndrewUnmuted 5y ago

I presume you would apply the same logic to those in your own nation that smoke cigarettes, who don't get enough physical exercise, and who eat poorly - yes? Those all appear to be far more likely indicators of hospitalization than your vaccination status, after all. Furthermore, when these overweight smokers with poor diet seek other care for their primary illnesses, I would imagine they get thrown onto the streets and told to get to the back of the line so that the more deserving people can get care first?