11 ms·

Covid Pass in Lithuania and Throughout Europe

34 points by SuperNinKenDo 5y ago

raverbashing 5y ago
The system is working as designed if it's keeping the Typhoid Marys at bay If you don't want the vax get tested. Acting dramatic won't help In a way we should be thankful there are people volunteering to be the control group of the most infectious variants, we can better fine tune the boosters this way
- AndrewUnmuted 5y ago
  When your entire continent's underwater again with lockdowns this winter, that look a lot like Australia's, I wonder if there will be any media coverage about how poorly this system ended up working. Your vaccination didn't do dick for you, raverbashing. All it did was pledge your allegiance to one of the several megalomaniac pharmaceutical multinationals for the rest of your waking life. You played into your nation's desire to embrace Mussolini-style fascism. Your immunity is worse than anyone who actually recovered from COVID-19. Admitting you're a fool is harder than accepting the truth, but you're bound to live through more hell until you begin to change your perspective.
- jillesvangurp 5y ago
  Exactly. The system is working as intended. Though, things are not miserable and costly enough yet apparently because he's not getting his jab just yet. People are still getting sick, even after getting vaccinated. So, I don't want this person anywhere near people I care about. Or near me. Or any people for that matter. We probably all know people that had the virus or that died because of it. So, I'm glad many countries are putting policies in place that are designed to de-risk public life a bit. We need more of that and less people like this running around unvaccinated.
  - _dain_ 5y ago
    >People are still getting sick, even after getting vaccinated. How do you not see that this undermines your entire argument?
    - jillesvangurp 5y ago
      It doesn't. Vaccines do protect people. Mortality is a lot lower if they get it and their chances of getting it are lower. But no vaccine is perfect. And these were developed in a hurry of course. What's your argument here? Just get the damn jab if you haven't already.
dumdum321 5y ago
“ In this article, I'll describe the details of how the Covid Pass works in my country and how it affects my family.” the author should tell us he how being unvaccinated affects those in need of hospitalisation but cant access it since ICU are swamped by those who could have avoided hospitalisation is vaxxed. the selfishness is utterly appalling and i fail to understand why the eu keeps financing these states. have a large mass of unvaccinated people? deal with the next waves yourselves and dont send your covidiots to work in our countries. simple as that.
- ajvs 5y ago
  Replace unvaccinated with fat people or smokers who are a far greater burden on the health system, yet you don't see this moral grandstanding about them.
  - robbiep 5y ago
    But the health system is engineered to cope with the base load, and there are also many public health measures designed to try and move their behaviour to more healthy ones as well. Just because the magnitude of the covid/infectious disease response we are seeing now is so strong is only because the burden of disease is so high. There are always anti smoking and exercise/healthy eating measures, but they pale into the background given the lack of acuity… much to public health officials dismay
  - orwin 5y ago
    The amount of effort asked is not the same. The amount of time is not the same. And by the way, obese and smokers do pay a premium on life insurance, and probably medical insurance too.
  - dumdum321 5y ago
    I dint know many people catching the fat or the smoke. But yes good point - smokers are segregated and not allowed to smoke inside, so whats your point? Next on hackernews: the earth is flat.
- y4mi 5y ago
legulere 5y ago
In reality it is the unvaccinated that hold us back from living freely like before.
- 0des 5y ago
  Interesting take, can you expand on what you mean by that?
  - t-sauer 5y ago
    Because unvaccinated people cause hospitals to be overcrowded.
    - 0des 5y ago
      Does this also extend to the willfully obese? Smokers? Chronic drug abusers, alcoholics, etc? It is my impression these are compounding factors listed as comorbidities to Covid, however we don't seem to focus on these segments of the population much, perhaps because of our own personal biases as most humans in this age fall into one or more of those categories.
      - smoldesu 5y ago
        What do comorbidity have to do with this? It's a total strawman in the context of the situation, considering that those people can also get vaccinated and hopefully not waste their time and our doctor's time by occupying a hospital bed.
        VoodooJuJu 5y ago
        Comorbidity has quite a lot do with cause of hospitalization. One study [1] observed that 94.9% of people hospitalized for severe COVID-19 had at least one underlying medical condition. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/21_0123.htm https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/21_0123.htm
  - legulere 5y ago
the-dude 5y ago
Submitted multiple times in the last month, most active https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28612337 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28612337, 31 days ago, 28 comments.
schwartzworld 5y ago
I like the author's explanation for why he and his wife haven't gotten vaccinated: her doctor told her to wait until after she had the baby, which is understandable I guess. But why does that mean that the husband wouldn't get vaccinated? Why aren't they worried about him bringing covid home to his pregnant wife? The authors claim that he supports getting vaccinated, but only doesn't support vaccine mandates, is not congruous with his actions. He has no reason not to do it other than being a CHUD. Of course there is pressure from the government to get vaccinated. We're talking about public health. It's not a personal decision anymore than the MMR or polio vaccines.
- AndrewUnmuted 5y ago
  > It's not a personal decision anymore than the MMR or polio vaccines. The world will be made by the people browsing HN. Programmers will be the new blue collar workers whose decisions will impact our infrastructure more than almost anybody. Holding views like this is a scary proposition for the new world we're entering. I am deeply disturbed by how pronounced the desire for authoritarianism is among this group of individuals. We are supposed to be better than this. Free software is all about freedom - not conformity. It is about having the freedom to maintain one's privacy and not having to explain yourself for wanting to maintain that position. The code is the code, but motivations for that code are wholly irrelevant. Instead we appear to be drifting in the direction of "open source" - full of wining babies who demand things from the select few with the actual talent with complete disregard for other people's rights, motivations, talents, and interests. It's a miracle that installing McAfee Antivirus software on our computers was never a government-mandated law.
- _dain_ 5y ago
  >It's not a personal decision anymore than the MMR or polio vaccines. I am tired of this false equivalence. Shall we compare them? The MMR and polio vaccines: - are very effective - give lifelong immunity - target very dangerous diseases - diseases which are particularly dangerous to children The Corona vaccines: - are mildly effective (they reduce symptoms certainly, but infections are still very common among the vaccinated, and so is spread) - immunity fades rapidly - target a disease which is not that dangerous - and is particularly not-dangerous for children I can see why it may be justifiable to mandate MMR and polio shots (though actually, where I live neither are mandated). The people most at risk (children) are not able to give consent, so it is arguably justifiable for the state to override parental wishes in such cases. I cannot see how it is justifiable to mandate the corona vaccines. The people who are actually at serious risk are perfectly capable of giving consent -- or not. Forcing it is a violation of bodily autonomy, pure and simple. "Public health" cannot be a universal excuse to tell people what to do. Obesity is also a major risk factor for coronavirus; are we also going to bar fat people from participation in society, on the excuse that they are burdening the health system?
rbut 5y ago
In Australia the rationale for a Vaccine Passport is because the unvaccinated are super spreaders. Yet, the latest data out of the UK (COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report Week 42, Page 13) [1] shows that the double-vaccinated are around TWICE as likely to catch COVID-19 (and according to the CDC, the viral load of a vaccinated person is the same as an unvaccinated person due to the vaccines being systemic and not mucosal vaccines). This leaves two possible reasons for vaccine passports; 1) To punish the unvaccinated for not taking the vaccine. 2) To reduce the burden on the health system. But in a country nearing 90% double vaccinated, this point holds less weight. What are peoples thoughts? [1] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1027511/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-42.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...
- dmitrij 5y ago
  Yet, the latest data out of the UK (COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report Week 42, Page 13) [1] shows that the double-vaccinated are around TWICE as likely to catch COVID-19 I hope you don't work in programming or data analytics
  - rbut 5y ago
    I should have clarified in ages 30+ where COVID has more serious effects on a persons health. Ref. 2nd-last and last columns of Table 2 on Page 13.
  - jstanley 5y ago
    Why? If the answer is "of course there are more cases in the vaccinated, because more people are vaccinated", then see the table at the top of page 13, specifically the last 2 columns showing cases per 100,000 population. For age range 30-39 and above, the rates per population in the vaccinated are higher than the unvaccinated.
    - dmitrij 5y ago
      Cause, if you write "twice as likely" you will have to measure against vaccincation rates. If 1000 people are vaccinated, and 10 get infected, versus 10 unvaccinated with 1 infection: who is more likely?
martinkus 5y ago
This article is written by a troll. Account with the same name has been active on lithuanian twitter recently and been spreading fake information about life in lithuania under covid pass.
- HamburgerEmoji 5y ago
  Eh, here's some stuff he posted several hours ago: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1451714806721957891.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1451714806721957891.html Are you suggesting all these photos are forgeries or mistranslated?
- ignasl 5y ago
  I don't know if that guy was spreading some fake info on twitter but this article is very detailed and factually everything is correct.
fasteddie31003 5y ago
I am fully vaxed and plan on getting a booster shot next week. But I see where the anti-mandate crowd is coming from. It's about giving up freedoms that will never come back. In the course of a country's history the trend is more and more laws, which in my opinion cement the ruling class's power. I bet the trend is less upward mobility for the age of a county. What happens throughout history is that these laws keep people in power who are not beneficial to society and there is eventually a revolution where the laws are upended and a new county is formed with a blank slate of laws. Bringing it back to vax passports, I think it is another brick in the wall of laws keeping the current ruling class in power.
ignasl 5y ago
Lithuanian constitution specifically states that no one can be forced to use experimental drugs, yet now you can't go to the shop and buy food if you are unvaccinated. Just yesterday hundreds of cops were checking people in stores for papers. If this is not a dystopian autocracy then I don't know what is. I am seriously consider moving away while I still can.
yosito 5y ago
I'm vaccinated. I think this article is written by a troll. And I think >90% of voluntarily unvaccinated people have severe problems evaluating risks, likely including the author of this post. That being said, there are legitimate reasons that a small number of people cannot or should not get vaccinated. We should be very careful not to treat these people as second class citizens in our zeal to protect ourselves. I got a taste of this in the spring. I am living in a country where I am not a citizen, and was last in line to qualify for a vaccine. Without a vaccine certificate, I was unable to enter restaurants, bars and some other businesses. For me, I think it was a reasonable short term restriction, but it sure felt extremely unfair to not be able to enter places, and not have any power to change that. We ought to be doing everything we can to vaccinate as many people as possible right now, during a crisis period. I'm in support of temporary vaccine mandates and immunity passports. But they need to have a time limit that's measured in months, not years. I'm hopeful that all these mandates and intrusive bureaucracy is completely over by mid-2022.
an9n 5y ago
Trigger Warning: plenty of COVID 'misinformation' in this post! I'm never taking the so-called 'vaccine'. I believe there is a sound empirical basis to question pretty much all aspects of the conventional narrative. I think I can hold out for a while yet, but I'm resigned to the fact that at a certain point the current deprivation of rights/isolation/demonisation stage may give way to outright genocide of the unvaccinated. The writer describes how the government of Lithuania are moving towards coercion with the threat of denial of food and shelter via denial of income; that's already not far off a death sentence in a Baltic winter. Going back to the facts I'm not yet convinced this is a particularly lethal disease. Does it really justify exterminating people that refuse to give up their bodily autonomy? I saw a sticker that was along the lines of 'a vaccine that doesn't work, for a disease that's so lethal you have to be tested to know whether you've had it'. I've yet to be convinced this isn't valid. If/when (more than likely when rather than if here in the UK, depressingly) this happens here I will have to flee. To be honest, with many of the vaccinated apparently having been turned, Rwanda style, into take-no-prisoners zealots, I wish there were a free country that people like me could move to and be isolated from the ROW, with the agreement that we stay in this country and never travel to the COVID-tyranny zone. If the vaccinated do not want me in their society, well, I have a message for you: at this point the feeling is kind of mutual. I suspect the land of the unvaccinated and free would do rather well. I've been keeping tabs on other countries to see those where the flame of freedom has not yet been extinguished, but it's pretty difficult to ascertain given that I'm living in one the main pushers of the COVID (WEF/Great Reset?) agenda. Does anyone know of a single website that aggregates this data?
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
an03n 5y ago
Vaccinated people fearing unvaccinated people makes zero sense. If the vaccines were 100% effective, then there is no reason for the fear. If they were 0% effective then there is no reason for the fear. There is no sane way to interpolate between those two values other than in a straight line. The amount unvaccinated people transmit the disease more than vaccinated people is EXACTLY the incremental amount that the vaccine increases protection.
an03n 5y ago
This thread has been removed from the front page, second page, etc. It's only accessible via search.

34 points by SuperNinKenDo 5y ago

The system is working as designed if it's keeping the Typhoid Marys at bay If you don't want the vax get tested. Acting dramatic won't help In a way we should be thankful there are people volunteering to be the control group of the most infectious variants, we can better fine tune the boosters this way

AndrewUnmuted 5y ago
When your entire continent's underwater again with lockdowns this winter, that look a lot like Australia's, I wonder if there will be any media coverage about how poorly this system ended up working. Your vaccination didn't do dick for you, raverbashing. All it did was pledge your allegiance to one of the several megalomaniac pharmaceutical multinationals for the rest of your waking life. You played into your nation's desire to embrace Mussolini-style fascism. Your immunity is worse than anyone who actually recovered from COVID-19. Admitting you're a fool is harder than accepting the truth, but you're bound to live through more hell until you begin to change your perspective.
jillesvangurp 5y ago
Exactly. The system is working as intended. Though, things are not miserable and costly enough yet apparently because he's not getting his jab just yet. People are still getting sick, even after getting vaccinated. So, I don't want this person anywhere near people I care about. Or near me. Or any people for that matter. We probably all know people that had the virus or that died because of it. So, I'm glad many countries are putting policies in place that are designed to de-risk public life a bit. We need more of that and less people like this running around unvaccinated.
- _dain_ 5y ago
  >People are still getting sick, even after getting vaccinated. How do you not see that this undermines your entire argument?
  - jillesvangurp 5y ago
    It doesn't. Vaccines do protect people. Mortality is a lot lower if they get it and their chances of getting it are lower. But no vaccine is perfect. And these were developed in a hurry of course. What's your argument here? Just get the damn jab if you haven't already.

dumdum321 5y ago

“ In this article, I'll describe the details of how the Covid Pass works in my country and how it affects my family.” the author should tell us he how being unvaccinated affects those in need of hospitalisation but cant access it since ICU are swamped by those who could have avoided hospitalisation is vaxxed. the selfishness is utterly appalling and i fail to understand why the eu keeps financing these states. have a large mass of unvaccinated people? deal with the next waves yourselves and dont send your covidiots to work in our countries. simple as that.

ajvs 5y ago
Replace unvaccinated with fat people or smokers who are a far greater burden on the health system, yet you don't see this moral grandstanding about them.
- robbiep 5y ago
  But the health system is engineered to cope with the base load, and there are also many public health measures designed to try and move their behaviour to more healthy ones as well. Just because the magnitude of the covid/infectious disease response we are seeing now is so strong is only because the burden of disease is so high. There are always anti smoking and exercise/healthy eating measures, but they pale into the background given the lack of acuity… much to public health officials dismay
- orwin 5y ago
  The amount of effort asked is not the same. The amount of time is not the same. And by the way, obese and smokers do pay a premium on life insurance, and probably medical insurance too.
- dumdum321 5y ago
  I dint know many people catching the fat or the smoke. But yes good point - smokers are segregated and not allowed to smoke inside, so whats your point? Next on hackernews: the earth is flat.
y4mi 5y ago

legulere 5y ago

In reality it is the unvaccinated that hold us back from living freely like before.

0des 5y ago
Interesting take, can you expand on what you mean by that?
- t-sauer 5y ago
  Because unvaccinated people cause hospitals to be overcrowded.
  - 0des 5y ago
    Does this also extend to the willfully obese? Smokers? Chronic drug abusers, alcoholics, etc? It is my impression these are compounding factors listed as comorbidities to Covid, however we don't seem to focus on these segments of the population much, perhaps because of our own personal biases as most humans in this age fall into one or more of those categories.
    - smoldesu 5y ago
      What do comorbidity have to do with this? It's a total strawman in the context of the situation, considering that those people can also get vaccinated and hopefully not waste their time and our doctor's time by occupying a hospital bed.
      - VoodooJuJu 5y ago
        Comorbidity has quite a lot do with cause of hospitalization. One study [1] observed that 94.9% of people hospitalized for severe COVID-19 had at least one underlying medical condition. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/21_0123.htm https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/21_0123.htm
- legulere 5y ago

the-dude 5y ago

Submitted multiple times in the last month, most active https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28612337 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28612337, 31 days ago, 28 comments.

schwartzworld 5y ago

I like the author's explanation for why he and his wife haven't gotten vaccinated: her doctor told her to wait until after she had the baby, which is understandable I guess. But why does that mean that the husband wouldn't get vaccinated? Why aren't they worried about him bringing covid home to his pregnant wife? The authors claim that he supports getting vaccinated, but only doesn't support vaccine mandates, is not congruous with his actions. He has no reason not to do it other than being a CHUD. Of course there is pressure from the government to get vaccinated. We're talking about public health. It's not a personal decision anymore than the MMR or polio vaccines.

AndrewUnmuted 5y ago
> It's not a personal decision anymore than the MMR or polio vaccines. The world will be made by the people browsing HN. Programmers will be the new blue collar workers whose decisions will impact our infrastructure more than almost anybody. Holding views like this is a scary proposition for the new world we're entering. I am deeply disturbed by how pronounced the desire for authoritarianism is among this group of individuals. We are supposed to be better than this. Free software is all about freedom - not conformity. It is about having the freedom to maintain one's privacy and not having to explain yourself for wanting to maintain that position. The code is the code, but motivations for that code are wholly irrelevant. Instead we appear to be drifting in the direction of "open source" - full of wining babies who demand things from the select few with the actual talent with complete disregard for other people's rights, motivations, talents, and interests. It's a miracle that installing McAfee Antivirus software on our computers was never a government-mandated law.
_dain_ 5y ago
>It's not a personal decision anymore than the MMR or polio vaccines. I am tired of this false equivalence. Shall we compare them? The MMR and polio vaccines: - are very effective - give lifelong immunity - target very dangerous diseases - diseases which are particularly dangerous to children The Corona vaccines: - are mildly effective (they reduce symptoms certainly, but infections are still very common among the vaccinated, and so is spread) - immunity fades rapidly - target a disease which is not that dangerous - and is particularly not-dangerous for children I can see why it may be justifiable to mandate MMR and polio shots (though actually, where I live neither are mandated). The people most at risk (children) are not able to give consent, so it is arguably justifiable for the state to override parental wishes in such cases. I cannot see how it is justifiable to mandate the corona vaccines. The people who are actually at serious risk are perfectly capable of giving consent -- or not. Forcing it is a violation of bodily autonomy, pure and simple. "Public health" cannot be a universal excuse to tell people what to do. Obesity is also a major risk factor for coronavirus; are we also going to bar fat people from participation in society, on the excuse that they are burdening the health system?

rbut 5y ago

In Australia the rationale for a Vaccine Passport is because the unvaccinated are super spreaders. Yet, the latest data out of the UK (COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report Week 42, Page 13) [1] shows that the double-vaccinated are around TWICE as likely to catch COVID-19 (and according to the CDC, the viral load of a vaccinated person is the same as an unvaccinated person due to the vaccines being systemic and not mucosal vaccines). This leaves two possible reasons for vaccine passports; 1) To punish the unvaccinated for not taking the vaccine. 2) To reduce the burden on the health system. But in a country nearing 90% double vaccinated, this point holds less weight. What are peoples thoughts? [1] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1027511/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-42.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

dmitrij 5y ago
Yet, the latest data out of the UK (COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report Week 42, Page 13) [1] shows that the double-vaccinated are around TWICE as likely to catch COVID-19 I hope you don't work in programming or data analytics
- rbut 5y ago
  I should have clarified in ages 30+ where COVID has more serious effects on a persons health. Ref. 2nd-last and last columns of Table 2 on Page 13.
- jstanley 5y ago
  Why? If the answer is "of course there are more cases in the vaccinated, because more people are vaccinated", then see the table at the top of page 13, specifically the last 2 columns showing cases per 100,000 population. For age range 30-39 and above, the rates per population in the vaccinated are higher than the unvaccinated.
  - dmitrij 5y ago
    Cause, if you write "twice as likely" you will have to measure against vaccincation rates. If 1000 people are vaccinated, and 10 get infected, versus 10 unvaccinated with 1 infection: who is more likely?

martinkus 5y ago

This article is written by a troll. Account with the same name has been active on lithuanian twitter recently and been spreading fake information about life in lithuania under covid pass.

HamburgerEmoji 5y ago
Eh, here's some stuff he posted several hours ago: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1451714806721957891.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1451714806721957891.html Are you suggesting all these photos are forgeries or mistranslated?
ignasl 5y ago
I don't know if that guy was spreading some fake info on twitter but this article is very detailed and factually everything is correct.

fasteddie31003 5y ago

I am fully vaxed and plan on getting a booster shot next week. But I see where the anti-mandate crowd is coming from. It's about giving up freedoms that will never come back. In the course of a country's history the trend is more and more laws, which in my opinion cement the ruling class's power. I bet the trend is less upward mobility for the age of a county. What happens throughout history is that these laws keep people in power who are not beneficial to society and there is eventually a revolution where the laws are upended and a new county is formed with a blank slate of laws. Bringing it back to vax passports, I think it is another brick in the wall of laws keeping the current ruling class in power.

ignasl 5y ago

Lithuanian constitution specifically states that no one can be forced to use experimental drugs, yet now you can't go to the shop and buy food if you are unvaccinated. Just yesterday hundreds of cops were checking people in stores for papers. If this is not a dystopian autocracy then I don't know what is. I am seriously consider moving away while I still can.

yosito 5y ago

I'm vaccinated. I think this article is written by a troll. And I think >90% of voluntarily unvaccinated people have severe problems evaluating risks, likely including the author of this post. That being said, there are legitimate reasons that a small number of people cannot or should not get vaccinated. We should be very careful not to treat these people as second class citizens in our zeal to protect ourselves. I got a taste of this in the spring. I am living in a country where I am not a citizen, and was last in line to qualify for a vaccine. Without a vaccine certificate, I was unable to enter restaurants, bars and some other businesses. For me, I think it was a reasonable short term restriction, but it sure felt extremely unfair to not be able to enter places, and not have any power to change that. We ought to be doing everything we can to vaccinate as many people as possible right now, during a crisis period. I'm in support of temporary vaccine mandates and immunity passports. But they need to have a time limit that's measured in months, not years. I'm hopeful that all these mandates and intrusive bureaucracy is completely over by mid-2022.

an9n 5y ago

Trigger Warning: plenty of COVID 'misinformation' in this post! I'm never taking the so-called 'vaccine'. I believe there is a sound empirical basis to question pretty much all aspects of the conventional narrative. I think I can hold out for a while yet, but I'm resigned to the fact that at a certain point the current deprivation of rights/isolation/demonisation stage may give way to outright genocide of the unvaccinated. The writer describes how the government of Lithuania are moving towards coercion with the threat of denial of food and shelter via denial of income; that's already not far off a death sentence in a Baltic winter. Going back to the facts I'm not yet convinced this is a particularly lethal disease. Does it really justify exterminating people that refuse to give up their bodily autonomy? I saw a sticker that was along the lines of 'a vaccine that doesn't work, for a disease that's so lethal you have to be tested to know whether you've had it'. I've yet to be convinced this isn't valid. If/when (more than likely when rather than if here in the UK, depressingly) this happens here I will have to flee. To be honest, with many of the vaccinated apparently having been turned, Rwanda style, into take-no-prisoners zealots, I wish there were a free country that people like me could move to and be isolated from the ROW, with the agreement that we stay in this country and never travel to the COVID-tyranny zone. If the vaccinated do not want me in their society, well, I have a message for you: at this point the feeling is kind of mutual. I suspect the land of the unvaccinated and free would do rather well. I've been keeping tabs on other countries to see those where the flame of freedom has not yet been extinguished, but it's pretty difficult to ascertain given that I'm living in one the main pushers of the COVID (WEF/Great Reset?) agenda. Does anyone know of a single website that aggregates this data?

deleted 5y ago
[deleted]

an03n 5y ago

Vaccinated people fearing unvaccinated people makes zero sense. If the vaccines were 100% effective, then there is no reason for the fear. If they were 0% effective then there is no reason for the fear. There is no sane way to interpolate between those two values other than in a straight line. The amount unvaccinated people transmit the disease more than vaccinated people is EXACTLY the incremental amount that the vaccine increases protection.

an03n 5y ago

This thread has been removed from the front page, second page, etc. It's only accessible via search.