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I don’t get why this kind of thing keeps happening. It’s on a par with organizing a press conference outside an industry lot. It takes relatively little money
by willvarfar 5y ago
I don’t get why this kind of thing keeps happening. It’s on a par with organizing a press conference outside an industry lot.
It takes relatively little money to bring in competent programmers to do things properly.
- AWildC182 5y agoHow many competent programmers (including being reasonable to work with) do you know who would willingly work for their campaign?
- trutannus 5y agoContractors from a country that does not give a fig about American politics? So plenty of options are on the table.
- AWildC182 5y agoBut... But... That would go against what their platform says!
- isomorphic 5y ago/s, I know, but: A platform is a mechanism to obtain power, not a prescription for how power is practiced.
- theshadowknows 5y agoI dunno most contractors like to get paid. I’m not sure but the Trump company does sort of have a history of not paying workers. I’m not arguing whether or not they should’ve. But it is kind of a _thing_
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- Kafkish 5y agoBut those would then be immigrants, right? And likely will need to come in under H1B or something. How will owners of that platform react to hiring to immigrants?
- trutannus 5y ago> But those would then be immigrants, right? No?! Why on earth would that be the logical conclusion? This is almost funny in how Americentric these threads become. You can outsource your project elsewhere. It's very common. America isn't the only country in the world that has software engineers who are competent.
- klyrs 5y agoMAGA hats were pretty famously made in China. That doesn't mean they were made by immigrants (though, I don't know anything about immigration in China)
- satronaut 5y agoSource on this? I thought they were American made but the manufacturer feared for their life so they never publicly said who made them
- klyrs 5y agoAh, my mistake. The story doesn't appear to be entirely clear-cut, but the hats labeled 'made in china' are apparently knock-offs. https://apnews.com/article/archive-fact-checking-6391630154 https://apnews.com/article/archive-fact-checking-6391630154
- qaq 5y agoYou honestly think there are no trump supporters among very competent programmers? I personally know at least 3.
- whateveracct 5y agoProgrammers are some of the most contrarian people out there, after all.
- rory 5y agoWould the Trump-supporting programmers you know be fine having "Trump Social Media Platform" as the latest job on their resume? I'd guess fear of ostracism in mainstream tech would filter out more people than actual politics.
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- jokethrowaway 5y agoI would do it just to stick it to Big Tech and their censorship. Still, as a rule I don't work for governments and politicians because they are perpetrators of violence and they're mostly unpunished by society.
- yumraj 5y agoA lot of programmers work for FB also despite everything. Also, many work for other ethically questionable companies. So, for the right price, I’m sure a lot. However, given what has been reported about wage theft and lawsuits, whether they will pay is a whole different question.
- evolve2k 5y agoBeyond their shameful business operations they bring deep engineering expertise, practices and processes and a founder who understands code and running a massive scaled technology firm. That is not the case here.
- rodgerd 5y agoI'm sure prominent Trump supporter Peter Theil can find a few.
- ProjectArcturis 5y agoThe Trump group is not known for bringing in competence or doing things properly.
- rodgerd 5y agoTrump's whole business career has been a grift of doing things that he knows are illegal, and then dragging out court proceedings until the people he's ripping off give up. Why would he change now?
- cure 5y agoCompetence does not seem to be a core value of these people, we've seen that over and over and over again.
- Kafkish 5y agoAre you trying to tell me that the folks at Cyber Ninja, the firm that conducted the Arizona audit, are not competent?
- Nihilartikel 5y agoDoes anyone even really need to be told that?
- qayxc 5y ago< It takes relatively little money to bring in competent programmers to do things properly. But even then there's much time and risk saved by using readily available solutions instead. The problem isn't basing your work on OSS, the problem is the license violation and that can easily be avoided.
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago> the license violation and that can easily be avoided And easily cured. What secret sauce could there possibly be in their modifications that early on?
- rory 5y agoI like to imagine someone is frantically deleting a QAnon bot right now.
- mogopugh 5y agoMerit isn't the dominant criteria.
- jrm4 5y ago"Money" isn't the issue. It's "having people who understand the meaning of 'properly.'" The number of people who understand the idea that "free OR open source code" is not equivalent to "I can take whatever source code I find anywhere and use it literally however I want" is vanishingly small, EVEN WITHIN THE IT INDUSTRY.
- entropyie 5y agoThis. I've Interviewed multiple senior engineer and dev manager candidates who couldn't tell me anything about software licensing, anything.
- mc32 5y agoThat’s a question for legal to handle, unless you’re a two person shop.
- CydeWeys 5y agoYou can escalate to legal for edge cases, but you should be able to handle base cases yourself. As an example, I work at Google on an Apache 2.0-licensed open source project, and we have dozens of third party dependencies: https://github.com/google/nomulus/blob/master/core/build.gradle https://github.com/google/nomulus/blob/master/core/build.gra... It wouldn't remotely scale across Google if we had to escalate to legal every single time we pulled in a new dependency. Instead, there's a company-wide allowlist of accepted software licenses, and you only need legal help for exceptions beyond that. So yes, we do have to know some basics of software licensing. It's just part of being a SWE.
- orf 5y agoSo a SWE just needs to see if the set of allowed licenses contains the project license. That doesn’t require any knowledge of the license itself, other than “they exist”.
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- rsynnott 5y agoI mean, it presumably takes relatively little money to bring in competent lawyers to do things properly, and yet that Four Seasons Landscaping thing happened. You're not, generally, talking about someone who appears to value (or perhaps even understand) competence.
- lotsofpulp 5y agoThe someone also has a long history of screwing over many people he does business with, forcing them to waste time and money in court to get paid. It boggles my mind that anyone would still do business with him without having a legal team on staff.