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Well, once I bought a laptop with integrated intel graphics because it was supposed to have good Linux support. Suspended/wake didn’t work, and 3D didn’t work,

Well, once I bought a laptop with integrated intel graphics because it was supposed to have good Linux support. Suspended/wake didn’t work, and 3D didn’t work, I spent months on mailing list trying to figure out the problem, and I ended up being the one merging the fix for Ubuntu, you can probably still find that on launchpad.net I get it, that was over ten years ago, and maybe things are better, maybe not according to this guy. I’m just tired of this kind of finickiness and would rather focus on hacking on server code.

berkes 5y ago
I once bought a laptop with a trackpad and it came with Windows ME. The trackpad kept dropping. It was a problem with the driver crashing. I once got a macbook from work, and the mechanical stress from carrying it in my backpack broke something internally. Started randomly rebooting. I had to bring it in, b/c Apple would not allow me to swap the broken piece myself. Got it back with everything wiped and all my files gone. This is why Windows will never work for normal people and will never become popular. This is why Apple won't work for any common use like a backpack and will never become usefull /s But first: thanks a lot for spending the time to make a patch! Yet, my point is: sure, that is valid criticism. Stuff should Just Work. But it also is kindof anecdotal and a little random to write off the entire desktop experience of Linux on a piece of unsupported hardware 10 years ago. We all have experienced bad hardware support everywhere, with every OS, with every ecosystem, haven't we? Hell, even one of my thinkpads did weird stuff once.
- watermelon0 5y ago
  Sure, maybe we should gather a random group of people, give each of them a laptop with Linux and Windows, and tell them to do some common tasks on both of them. Let's see which one they prefer, and have less issues with. Common tasks include: - Zoom/Google Meet meetings including screen sharing - Playing music on bluetooth headphones - Watching movies on Youtube/Netflix - Playing games (with official support for both platforms) - Using external monitor with different DPI
- dsomers 5y ago
  It’s not just a one off though, I’ve used windows everyday, at home or at work since windows existed, I also used Linux on the desktop full time for about eight years, it wasn’t a couple months of me trying something and not liking it. Now I’ve been using windows and Mac OS on desktops at home and at work for the past 11ish years —- while still working with Linux and windows servers everyday for the past 20 years. I’m pretty familiar with the strengths and weaknesses of all of these systems, and I agree, if you value configurability a lot, Linux can be a nice desktop —- but I’m not wrong for not valuing that. What I want is a desktop experience with fewer rough edges than what I’ve gotten from Linux so I can just write my app code and not worry about drivers or whatever. I think you’re being pretty silly if you’re trying to tell me Mac OS hardware support on macs has a comparable number of rough edges to Linux on random x hardware — because no I haven’t had Mac hardware incompatibility issues with Mac OS, that’s almost the whole point of what they do, and the knock on effect is their limited hardware options— but that’s a trade off that works for me, and it works for a lot of other people.
- IshKebab 5y ago
  > But it also is kindof anecdotal and a little random to write off the entire desktop experience of Linux on a piece of unsupported hardware 10 years ago. This is a fair point but I think anyone who has used Linux for any length of time knows it isn't just one issue. It's a whole crowd of them. Windows and Mac have issues too, but far fewer. I assume that he has experienced more issues than that and that was just the worst one.

berkes 5y ago

I once bought a laptop with a trackpad and it came with Windows ME. The trackpad kept dropping. It was a problem with the driver crashing. I once got a macbook from work, and the mechanical stress from carrying it in my backpack broke something internally. Started randomly rebooting. I had to bring it in, b/c Apple would not allow me to swap the broken piece myself. Got it back with everything wiped and all my files gone. This is why Windows will never work for normal people and will never become popular. This is why Apple won't work for any common use like a backpack and will never become usefull /s But first: thanks a lot for spending the time to make a patch! Yet, my point is: sure, that is valid criticism. Stuff should Just Work. But it also is kindof anecdotal and a little random to write off the entire desktop experience of Linux on a piece of unsupported hardware 10 years ago. We all have experienced bad hardware support everywhere, with every OS, with every ecosystem, haven't we? Hell, even one of my thinkpads did weird stuff once.

watermelon0 5y ago
Sure, maybe we should gather a random group of people, give each of them a laptop with Linux and Windows, and tell them to do some common tasks on both of them. Let's see which one they prefer, and have less issues with. Common tasks include: - Zoom/Google Meet meetings including screen sharing - Playing music on bluetooth headphones - Watching movies on Youtube/Netflix - Playing games (with official support for both platforms) - Using external monitor with different DPI
dsomers 5y ago
It’s not just a one off though, I’ve used windows everyday, at home or at work since windows existed, I also used Linux on the desktop full time for about eight years, it wasn’t a couple months of me trying something and not liking it. Now I’ve been using windows and Mac OS on desktops at home and at work for the past 11ish years —- while still working with Linux and windows servers everyday for the past 20 years. I’m pretty familiar with the strengths and weaknesses of all of these systems, and I agree, if you value configurability a lot, Linux can be a nice desktop —- but I’m not wrong for not valuing that. What I want is a desktop experience with fewer rough edges than what I’ve gotten from Linux so I can just write my app code and not worry about drivers or whatever. I think you’re being pretty silly if you’re trying to tell me Mac OS hardware support on macs has a comparable number of rough edges to Linux on random x hardware — because no I haven’t had Mac hardware incompatibility issues with Mac OS, that’s almost the whole point of what they do, and the knock on effect is their limited hardware options— but that’s a trade off that works for me, and it works for a lot of other people.
IshKebab 5y ago
> But it also is kindof anecdotal and a little random to write off the entire desktop experience of Linux on a piece of unsupported hardware 10 years ago. This is a fair point but I think anyone who has used Linux for any length of time knows it isn't just one issue. It's a whole crowd of them. Windows and Mac have issues too, but far fewer. I assume that he has experienced more issues than that and that was just the worst one.