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> Safe or not, autopilot is very convenient and super permissive, and owners seem to love it. Well, Tesla best hope that other competitors don't come up with s

> Safe or not, autopilot is very convenient and super permissive, and owners seem to love it. Well, Tesla best hope that other competitors don't come up with safe L4 before them. > The Model 3/Y itself is a smooth, luxurious and fast ride. It really, really isn't. Fast, sure, smooth, sometimes, although perception may be messing with things, because wind noise is terrible in these models - but it may also be more noticeable because of less drivetrain noise. But it absolutely is not a luxurious ride. Go sit in an Audi Q7 or A6. BMW E Series. And feel what really comfortable seats are like. A dashboard that doesn't flex. Doorwells that don't creak when you lean your elbow on them. Nicer finishes, with higher attention to detail. I've driven in an S, a Y, and the interior build in those more resembles my older Altima, Maxima, than coming anywhere near close to my Audis, let alone my Jaguar.

aluminum96 5y ago
> the interior build in those more resembles my older Altima, Maxima Having driven both an Altima and a Model 3 extensively (i.e. thousands of miles), I couldn't disagree more. The vibe of these cars is night and day different. This is not quantifiable though, it's just my opinion.
- FireBeyond 5y ago
  I will give you that, on the vibe. The M3 has a much more futuristic vibe to it. But in material quality? Hmm.
- zz865 5y ago
  Having driven both an Altima and a Model 3 extensively (i.e. thousands of miles), I couldn't disagree more. The vibe of these cars is night and day different. You said the ALtima and Model 3 is different, but which one is better?
  - DarmokJalad1701 5y ago
    Owned an Altima for 5+ years and now a Model 3 for two. I can objectively say that the ownership and driving experience has been significantly better with the Model 3.
judge2020 5y ago
Most people buying a 3/Y are probably the people that only considered at most $35k car pre-Tesla, but now that they're trendier and electric (saving on gas bringing the price down at least $5k over the lifetime of the car), will buy the Tesla to be part of the club and the ride will be better than the cars they considered before. It also helps that people like simplistic design now more than ever, so antiquated interiors with loads of buttons to learn and keep in mind don't add to the appeal for all the millennials shopping for a luxury car.
chmod600 5y ago
I wonder whether attitudes about luxury cars might be changing. I've owned a luxury car before, but I just don't care about those details so much any more. Sure, that stuff is nice. But you quickly adapt after a couple weeks and practical concerns take over. I'd rather be in a so-so interior and get fast charging easily than have a great seat and be hunting around. I just can't get excited about luxury cars any more. Who wants to spend a ton of time in a car anyway? Maybe a luxury car is nice for a date at a fancy place, but that's a couple times a year or something. Not a lot of people are doing black tie dinners and the opera all the time.
- seanmcdirmid 5y ago
  How much do you drive? I would guess that if you don't drive a lot, the "quiet cab" wouldn't be much of a thing to notice. Also, if the car is fun to drive, the other things are less noticeable unless you are a passenger. Luxury cars are like business class plane tickets or a 5 star resort pool villa: they are really nice, but absolutely not necessary. If you have lots of money, why not? If you don't, you probably have better places to spend your money.
seanmcdirmid 5y ago
> But it absolutely is not a luxurious ride. Go sit in an Audi Q7 or A6 Why are you comparing a Model 3 to an A6 and not an A4?
- FireBeyond 5y ago
  Well, a few points - the A6 is comparable price wise to the Model Y. Depending on trim, the dual motor 3's are comparable to the A6, the base model to the A4. But an A4 trim isn't much different to an A6, and still above a Model 3
mlindner 5y ago
> Well, Tesla best hope that other competitors don't come up with safe L4 before them. Well I can't see anyone even being close at the moment. The only companies doing such things are using company drivers and doing taxicab-like services. Companies other than Tesla don't seem to want to actually sell their product to customers.

aluminum96 5y ago

> the interior build in those more resembles my older Altima, Maxima Having driven both an Altima and a Model 3 extensively (i.e. thousands of miles), I couldn't disagree more. The vibe of these cars is night and day different. This is not quantifiable though, it's just my opinion.

FireBeyond 5y ago
I will give you that, on the vibe. The M3 has a much more futuristic vibe to it. But in material quality? Hmm.
zz865 5y ago
Having driven both an Altima and a Model 3 extensively (i.e. thousands of miles), I couldn't disagree more. The vibe of these cars is night and day different. You said the ALtima and Model 3 is different, but which one is better?
- DarmokJalad1701 5y ago
  Owned an Altima for 5+ years and now a Model 3 for two. I can objectively say that the ownership and driving experience has been significantly better with the Model 3.

judge2020 5y ago

Most people buying a 3/Y are probably the people that only considered at most $35k car pre-Tesla, but now that they're trendier and electric (saving on gas bringing the price down at least $5k over the lifetime of the car), will buy the Tesla to be part of the club and the ride will be better than the cars they considered before. It also helps that people like simplistic design now more than ever, so antiquated interiors with loads of buttons to learn and keep in mind don't add to the appeal for all the millennials shopping for a luxury car.

chmod600 5y ago

I wonder whether attitudes about luxury cars might be changing. I've owned a luxury car before, but I just don't care about those details so much any more. Sure, that stuff is nice. But you quickly adapt after a couple weeks and practical concerns take over. I'd rather be in a so-so interior and get fast charging easily than have a great seat and be hunting around. I just can't get excited about luxury cars any more. Who wants to spend a ton of time in a car anyway? Maybe a luxury car is nice for a date at a fancy place, but that's a couple times a year or something. Not a lot of people are doing black tie dinners and the opera all the time.

seanmcdirmid 5y ago
How much do you drive? I would guess that if you don't drive a lot, the "quiet cab" wouldn't be much of a thing to notice. Also, if the car is fun to drive, the other things are less noticeable unless you are a passenger. Luxury cars are like business class plane tickets or a 5 star resort pool villa: they are really nice, but absolutely not necessary. If you have lots of money, why not? If you don't, you probably have better places to spend your money.

seanmcdirmid 5y ago

> But it absolutely is not a luxurious ride. Go sit in an Audi Q7 or A6 Why are you comparing a Model 3 to an A6 and not an A4?

FireBeyond 5y ago
Well, a few points - the A6 is comparable price wise to the Model Y. Depending on trim, the dual motor 3's are comparable to the A6, the base model to the A4. But an A4 trim isn't much different to an A6, and still above a Model 3

mlindner 5y ago

> Well, Tesla best hope that other competitors don't come up with safe L4 before them. Well I can't see anyone even being close at the moment. The only companies doing such things are using company drivers and doing taxicab-like services. Companies other than Tesla don't seem to want to actually sell their product to customers.