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We always used Zulu (GMT+0) to coordinate meetings around the globe, but this is a very nice approach to coordinate time differences. Daylight saving times are

We always used Zulu (GMT+0) to coordinate meetings around the globe, but this is a very nice approach to coordinate time differences. Daylight saving times are just way too chaotic around the globe, as every country does their own thing anyways. One thing though: Different countries imply different work hours and laws/regulations. For example, it is illegal to work more than 10 hours in Germany, so most companies stick to the 0800-1630 work time approach whereas the 30 minutes break is also required by law. Something like this would be nice to represent in an overlap/border/chart(?) with colors for each location around the clock so that you can see where times could overlap if you e.g. come late in the office to start work.

midasuni 5y ago
That would be depressing. If I’m away from work overnight I want to get the work done. I’d rather babysit a system for 15 hours a day for 3 days then go home and have a colleague do it for the next 3, rather than have to do 6 days with both of us on site.
- cookiengineer 5y ago
  > That would be depressing. If I’m away from hoke overnight I want to get he worked done. I’d rather babysit a system for 15 hours a day for 3 days then go home and have a colleague do it for the next 3, rather than have to do 6 days with both of us on site. Honestly I don't understand your comment!? Why do you have to babysit the system? My suggestion was an extension to the existing clock app that OP made. Nothing prevents OP from making settings storable via localStorage, so I don't know where your assumptions come from?
  - midasuni 5y ago
    Sorry posting from a phone which has terrible autocorrect and hadn’t edited. In repose to “illegal to work more than 10 hours in Germany” I had a call last night to go to a field in the middle of nowhere for 3 days to look after an event as the colleague who was supposed to do it has covid. This means sitting on site doing whatever I want, until/unless something goes wrong. The coverage needed is 12 hours a day, so that’s fine, I do the job, get paid the overtime, and another colleague takes over on Saturday to do the same job for a few days. If I was limited to 10 hour days I couldn’t cover 12 hours, we’d need two people on site, and that means I’d have to be away from home twice as long. That’s not a good thing for me
    - wongarsu 5y ago
      In Germany we would put three people on the job for 8 hours each. Working more than 8 hours is already the exception, 10 is the hard maximum (except for some exceptions like caring for people or management). Germany still has a lot of blue-collar jobs, where limiting work time really cuts down on accident rates. Of course any law will catch some innocent cases in the cross-fire.
      - wink 5y ago
        Germany is not some magical place where people never work more than 10h. That part of the law you quoted is only about regular shifts, whereas OP's example of being on site and basically waiting until something happens would very much fall under § 7.4, as being on standby, also it doesn't sound like this happens every week. Yes, in general I won't complain, certainly not about those restrictions - but it's simply wrong to act as if no one had exceptional longer shifts, or what the OP did would be illegal.
      - midasuni 5y ago
        So 3 people How about if I’m somewhere worse than Norfolk (where I am now). Say I have a certain amount of work to do in Gaza - say 180 hours of it. Do I send 3 people to do the job in 4 or 5 days, or do I keep them there twice as long or send twice as many people - doubling the length and footprint in country, massively increasing the risk (as well as more people being away from home for longer). As the employee I would not be looking forward to spending a full evening in the Al Deira every night, assuming their generator is working. I’d rather spend time at home. How does it even work with travel - I’ve spent 6 hours getting through customs and immigration in some places, let alone the flight to get there.
        wongarsu 5y ago
        Travel time is (as you probably guessed) somewhat more complicated. The short version is that travel can happen outside your work time, as long as either immediately before or after the travel you aren't working (so e.g. you can travel from home to a customer outside work time, but traveling from work to a customer is work time). As for traveling to Gaza: I guess you need more people or longer. The main concern of the law aren't the exceptional once-in-a-blue-moon cases but the everyday problem of workers. A better, safer work environment for millions is worth having some hypothetical people in Gaza for a bit longer.
hhebbo 5y ago
Interesting. First time I hear about using Zulu for meetings. hTime is similar in a way, and as you mentioned aiming at making it more convenient by combining local and global (UTC) times together. It's a good idea to do the working layers on top as well. did you check the "Working Availability" https://thehtime.com/range https://thehtime.com/range feature? There you can actually specify your working availability and share this with others globally using a link. this might help. Would you like to give hTime a go to coordinate meetings instead of Zulu for some days? I'd love to hear more feedback from a daily usage by a team. That'd be really helpful.

midasuni 5y ago

That would be depressing. If I’m away from work overnight I want to get the work done. I’d rather babysit a system for 15 hours a day for 3 days then go home and have a colleague do it for the next 3, rather than have to do 6 days with both of us on site.

cookiengineer 5y ago
> That would be depressing. If I’m away from hoke overnight I want to get he worked done. I’d rather babysit a system for 15 hours a day for 3 days then go home and have a colleague do it for the next 3, rather than have to do 6 days with both of us on site. Honestly I don't understand your comment!? Why do you have to babysit the system? My suggestion was an extension to the existing clock app that OP made. Nothing prevents OP from making settings storable via localStorage, so I don't know where your assumptions come from?
- midasuni 5y ago
  Sorry posting from a phone which has terrible autocorrect and hadn’t edited. In repose to “illegal to work more than 10 hours in Germany” I had a call last night to go to a field in the middle of nowhere for 3 days to look after an event as the colleague who was supposed to do it has covid. This means sitting on site doing whatever I want, until/unless something goes wrong. The coverage needed is 12 hours a day, so that’s fine, I do the job, get paid the overtime, and another colleague takes over on Saturday to do the same job for a few days. If I was limited to 10 hour days I couldn’t cover 12 hours, we’d need two people on site, and that means I’d have to be away from home twice as long. That’s not a good thing for me
  - wongarsu 5y ago
    In Germany we would put three people on the job for 8 hours each. Working more than 8 hours is already the exception, 10 is the hard maximum (except for some exceptions like caring for people or management). Germany still has a lot of blue-collar jobs, where limiting work time really cuts down on accident rates. Of course any law will catch some innocent cases in the cross-fire.
    - wink 5y ago
      Germany is not some magical place where people never work more than 10h. That part of the law you quoted is only about regular shifts, whereas OP's example of being on site and basically waiting until something happens would very much fall under § 7.4, as being on standby, also it doesn't sound like this happens every week. Yes, in general I won't complain, certainly not about those restrictions - but it's simply wrong to act as if no one had exceptional longer shifts, or what the OP did would be illegal.
    - midasuni 5y ago
      So 3 people How about if I’m somewhere worse than Norfolk (where I am now). Say I have a certain amount of work to do in Gaza - say 180 hours of it. Do I send 3 people to do the job in 4 or 5 days, or do I keep them there twice as long or send twice as many people - doubling the length and footprint in country, massively increasing the risk (as well as more people being away from home for longer). As the employee I would not be looking forward to spending a full evening in the Al Deira every night, assuming their generator is working. I’d rather spend time at home. How does it even work with travel - I’ve spent 6 hours getting through customs and immigration in some places, let alone the flight to get there.
      - wongarsu 5y ago
        Travel time is (as you probably guessed) somewhat more complicated. The short version is that travel can happen outside your work time, as long as either immediately before or after the travel you aren't working (so e.g. you can travel from home to a customer outside work time, but traveling from work to a customer is work time). As for traveling to Gaza: I guess you need more people or longer. The main concern of the law aren't the exceptional once-in-a-blue-moon cases but the everyday problem of workers. A better, safer work environment for millions is worth having some hypothetical people in Gaza for a bit longer.

hhebbo 5y ago

Interesting. First time I hear about using Zulu for meetings. hTime is similar in a way, and as you mentioned aiming at making it more convenient by combining local and global (UTC) times together. It's a good idea to do the working layers on top as well. did you check the "Working Availability" https://thehtime.com/range https://thehtime.com/range feature? There you can actually specify your working availability and share this with others globally using a link. this might help. Would you like to give hTime a go to coordinate meetings instead of Zulu for some days? I'd love to hear more feedback from a daily usage by a team. That'd be really helpful.