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I worked a string of temp jobs throughout college - usually via temp agencies. I too, did some similar gigs to Amazon warehouse. Usually, both employee and emp

I worked a string of temp jobs throughout college - usually via temp agencies. I too, did some similar gigs to Amazon warehouse. Usually, both employee and employer want the overtime - more so for the employee, if the OT pay is attractive. When I worked night shifts in a mail sorting facility (11PM to 11AM), the OT pay was almost 100% Employees want it because they can make more money without having to balance multiple gigs/jobs, employers because less employees = less paperwork and less people to manage.

mschuster91 5y ago
And this is why regulation is needed. As long as employees want OT pay because otherwise they can't make a living, they will work (sometimes ridiculous) amounts of OT and companies will exploit that need of the workers. People having to work two full-time jobs or balancing "gig economy" modern slavery just to make rent? That only shows how broken the system is, especially when it comes to rents. Fair wages and OT bans by law are the only way out - like in Germany, where you are not allowed to work more than 10 hours a day across all your jobs combined.
- cto_of_antifa 5y ago
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- littlecranky67 5y ago
  Yes, and to add to your comment, in Germany the Employer is responsible for monitoring those 10h limits of its employees. If for example and employee would die in an accident due to falling asleep while driving after more than 10h of work, the employer can be held accountable.
- mantas 5y ago
  The problem is how do you define „make a living“ and what do you do if someone just wants extra €€€ beyond that? I make fair money yet I still moonlighted a lot. Should I be allowed to work extra to have money for a sweet bicycle or travelling?
  - mschuster91 5y ago
    Most people in the US doing two or more jobs are not doing it for extra money, they are doing so for sheer survival.
    - mantas 5y ago
      Poor US. Glad I'm in eastern europe.
- BostonFern 5y ago
  I don't agree with equating paid employment in a free society with slavery. I think that's distasteful rhetoric, however, the idea of a government imposing restriction on individual citizens' time to eradicate overtime, the only way for a substantial amount of people to get ahead in life, is closer to an inescapable situation than a busy minimum-wage job with overtime available.
  - mschuster91 5y ago
    > I don't agree with equating paid employment in a free society with slavery. If people only have the choice between being exploited by Amazon in conditions that are beyond reasonable (e.g. having to piss in bottles, not getting lunch breaks), by "gig employers" shifting entrepreneurial risk towards employees (Uber, but also hospitality that doesn't pay minimum wage so people are depending on tips) or being homeless, then yes it is modern slavery.

mschuster91 5y ago

And this is why regulation is needed. As long as employees want OT pay because otherwise they can't make a living, they will work (sometimes ridiculous) amounts of OT and companies will exploit that need of the workers. People having to work two full-time jobs or balancing "gig economy" modern slavery just to make rent? That only shows how broken the system is, especially when it comes to rents. Fair wages and OT bans by law are the only way out - like in Germany, where you are not allowed to work more than 10 hours a day across all your jobs combined.

cto_of_antifa 5y ago
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littlecranky67 5y ago
Yes, and to add to your comment, in Germany the Employer is responsible for monitoring those 10h limits of its employees. If for example and employee would die in an accident due to falling asleep while driving after more than 10h of work, the employer can be held accountable.
mantas 5y ago
The problem is how do you define „make a living“ and what do you do if someone just wants extra €€€ beyond that? I make fair money yet I still moonlighted a lot. Should I be allowed to work extra to have money for a sweet bicycle or travelling?
- mschuster91 5y ago
  Most people in the US doing two or more jobs are not doing it for extra money, they are doing so for sheer survival.
  - mantas 5y ago
    Poor US. Glad I'm in eastern europe.
BostonFern 5y ago
I don't agree with equating paid employment in a free society with slavery. I think that's distasteful rhetoric, however, the idea of a government imposing restriction on individual citizens' time to eradicate overtime, the only way for a substantial amount of people to get ahead in life, is closer to an inescapable situation than a busy minimum-wage job with overtime available.
- mschuster91 5y ago
  > I don't agree with equating paid employment in a free society with slavery. If people only have the choice between being exploited by Amazon in conditions that are beyond reasonable (e.g. having to piss in bottles, not getting lunch breaks), by "gig employers" shifting entrepreneurial risk towards employees (Uber, but also hospitality that doesn't pay minimum wage so people are depending on tips) or being homeless, then yes it is modern slavery.