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They will never catch up because Google is the only one dedicating enough engineering to match the growing amount of information, and their level of effort sets

They will never catch up because Google is the only one dedicating enough engineering to match the growing amount of information, and their level of effort sets the pace of increasingly high user expectations for search results.

m0zg 5y ago
Brave is already comparable in quality to Google IMO, to the point where I maybe go to Google once every couple of weeks, if that. Superior, if you're searching for anything at all "controversial" that Google bans or demotes. And where it knows it's lacking, it gives you the option to mix in Google results if you'd like. I'm very impressed with Brave Search. I'm also disappointed and annoyed that Apple completely controls iOS search engine selection and doesn't allow adding custom search engines at all. Safari is the best mobile browser hands down, except for this "inconvenience". iOS Brave is worse than Safari, at least for me.
silisili 5y ago
There is a growing sentiment, mine included, that Google search isn't getting better. In fact, I feel it's markedly worse for many queries. The problem for me are all the blogspams out there. These -should- be easy to just punt, but alas, they do not. I'd gladly switch to any search that didn't show me such results.
- 1123581321 5y ago
  I share the sentiment. Unfortunately it means other engines struggle even more, because they are all using roughly the same basket of techniques. I’m familiar with the claims that DDG and Brave serve equally good or better results. An insightful breakthrough in quality that vastly reduces the computing and engineering required to serve great results that keep up with expanding information, similar to what Google did for search 20 years ago, would be wonderful, but it won’t come from DDG or Brave unless they can develop new models that completely replace their current search products.
- psyc 5y ago
  My growing disdain for Google isn’t even about their tech. In the beginning, Google’s SRP was an ad or two, followed by ~10 magically-relevant <a> links. For some years they were praised for a restrained approach. Today, the SRP is ads, the info box, the Reddit-cluster, the Quora-cluster, images, videos, “people also searched…”, “did you mean…”, and somewhere near the bottom a couple of those good ol’ fashioned links for old time sake. Do not want.
- arp242 5y ago
  I don't know if it's really Google getting worse or the web (or perhaps even the world) is getting worse. I have the impression it's more the latter than the former, and suspect other search engines will struggle with blogspam just as much.
  - soundnote 5y ago
    I think it's both. Google does seem to editorialize search results but the web's also becoming more obsessed with SEO and some sites are just hard to search, either internally or with an external search engine.
DeathArrow 5y ago
>their level of effort sets the pace of increasingly high user expectations for search results The results are not relevant. Either the expectations are not very high, either they do a poor job. They actually had better search results before using very sofisticated algorithms and trying to outsmart the users.

m0zg 5y ago

Brave is already comparable in quality to Google IMO, to the point where I maybe go to Google once every couple of weeks, if that. Superior, if you're searching for anything at all "controversial" that Google bans or demotes. And where it knows it's lacking, it gives you the option to mix in Google results if you'd like. I'm very impressed with Brave Search. I'm also disappointed and annoyed that Apple completely controls iOS search engine selection and doesn't allow adding custom search engines at all. Safari is the best mobile browser hands down, except for this "inconvenience". iOS Brave is worse than Safari, at least for me.

silisili 5y ago

There is a growing sentiment, mine included, that Google search isn't getting better. In fact, I feel it's markedly worse for many queries. The problem for me are all the blogspams out there. These -should- be easy to just punt, but alas, they do not. I'd gladly switch to any search that didn't show me such results.

1123581321 5y ago
I share the sentiment. Unfortunately it means other engines struggle even more, because they are all using roughly the same basket of techniques. I’m familiar with the claims that DDG and Brave serve equally good or better results. An insightful breakthrough in quality that vastly reduces the computing and engineering required to serve great results that keep up with expanding information, similar to what Google did for search 20 years ago, would be wonderful, but it won’t come from DDG or Brave unless they can develop new models that completely replace their current search products.
psyc 5y ago
My growing disdain for Google isn’t even about their tech. In the beginning, Google’s SRP was an ad or two, followed by ~10 magically-relevant <a> links. For some years they were praised for a restrained approach. Today, the SRP is ads, the info box, the Reddit-cluster, the Quora-cluster, images, videos, “people also searched…”, “did you mean…”, and somewhere near the bottom a couple of those good ol’ fashioned links for old time sake. Do not want.
arp242 5y ago
I don't know if it's really Google getting worse or the web (or perhaps even the world) is getting worse. I have the impression it's more the latter than the former, and suspect other search engines will struggle with blogspam just as much.
- soundnote 5y ago
  I think it's both. Google does seem to editorialize search results but the web's also becoming more obsessed with SEO and some sites are just hard to search, either internally or with an external search engine.

DeathArrow 5y ago

>their level of effort sets the pace of increasingly high user expectations for search results The results are not relevant. Either the expectations are not very high, either they do a poor job. They actually had better search results before using very sofisticated algorithms and trying to outsmart the users.