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Looks like grandparent mode is enabled by default with all the whitespace and even lower information density. What's the endgame? In 20 years only a single lett

Looks like grandparent mode is enabled by default with all the whitespace and even lower information density. What's the endgame? In 20 years only a single letter at a time on the screen? >Any information processed in Private Compute Core requires explicit user action before it can be shared with Google (...) If they know everything about the data going in and coming out it's still useless. Also what important APIs did they axe now?

5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
Screens keep getting bigger, while tweets stay the same size. You need something to pad the rest of the space.
- VortexDream 5y ago
  How about more tweets? The information density on modern everything is utter garbage.
  - reayn 5y ago
    I doubt anyone here wants more tweets. I personally wish the twitter UI would just be entirely whitespace (or a fine chirping blue if they're feeling adventerous) for their audience to sit and enjoy; I can genuinely find no drawbacks to such a UI rework.
    - VortexDream 5y ago
      You're not wrong. I guess I'm more annoyed by how widespread it has become to waste whitespace. The new Reddit design is unusable for me because of how much space it wastes. I try it sometimes for a few days, then go back to the old design and feel so much happier to be able to see so much at once without distractions.
      - reayn 5y ago
        Whitespace is among the least of new reddit's problems lol.
k8sToGo 5y ago
I feel the same about it. Also now the settings it's just a bunch of text without icons.
causi 5y ago
As someone who grew up using 160x160 and 320x320 PDAs, the idea a smartphone now uses a 1080x1200 rectangle to only give me eight buttons makes me want to throw up.
- SahAssar 5y ago
  Those PDAs generally used styluses, similarly sized screens (or at least about half the size of current phones, 4-5", so a very different DPI) and it was considered okay to make interface elements so small that you could not walk and reliably hit them at the same time. By your logic we should be able to use a PDA interface on a smartwatch.
- Isthatablackgsd 5y ago
  As someone who used 132x65 pagers back then, my Blackberry RIM 850 can display more information in the screen than my Samsung Note 8. I loathe this "maximum white space!!" UIs as well. My boss prefers the grandparent-mode UIs whereas I prefer compact with every space is being used as possible. I like to have high-density texts like the old day of Reddit to minimum screen-scrolling.
  - nix23 5y ago
    Oh man, blackberry's where such perfect communication devices, fast writing no additional bs...i miss that time, it was the perfect mix of smart and dump phone...and nothing more was/is needed.
    - naikrovek 5y ago
      oh yeah we all look back super fondly on the dozens and dozens of nested lists that somehow was considered passable as a user interface. I'm no fan of the current whitespace-heavy UI paradigm, but to say BlackBerry did it better is definitely not matching my own memories of my BlackBerry devices at all.
      - Isthatablackgsd 5y ago
mminer237 5y ago
It now opaquely covers the entire screen when you look at a single notification.
vetinari 5y ago
> In 20 years only a single letter at a time on the screen? Don't you think that a letter is a bit optimistic? What about colored buttons with icons, ala Idiocracy?
naikrovek 5y ago
always nice when an optimist joins the conversation. everything just lightens right up.
thomasahle 5y ago
> all the whitespace and even lower information density. What's the endgame? I don't think fashion has an endgame.
- hammyhavoc 5y ago
  Whitespace so hot right now.
hammock 5y ago
>Looks like grandparent mode is enabled by default with all the whitespace and even lower information density. What's the endgame? In 20 years only a single letter at a time on the screen? Just playing to their customer. As time goes on, the demographics of Android users get older and less savvy as everyone else switches to iPhone. (not snark, I have a Pixel myself)
- MBCook 5y ago
  Are they? Or is it change for change’s sake. If it looks like it did the last 5 years it looks “old” so you have to do something. They did this. It’s trendy. Later they’ll “discover” information density and go in the other direction.
citizenpaul 5y ago
Well at first IT people complained because boomers wouldn't learn how to use computers. Now they (sorta)did and they want one letter per screen. Since they still control the majority of the market share that is what we will get by default. Its really the getting old denial mode. All of those people need reading glasses not huge font. Seriously the in house attorney where i worked(like 70yo) had his phone font set so large it was like 2-3 words per screen on email and text.
bhawks 5y ago
> Looks like grandparent mode... I almost cut my arm off with all that edge. Care to dial it back a bit? The counterpoint is that most of the 'information' apps think are important really are wasting my time and obscuring actual signal. Putting design on a diet and making apps think about what data is priority vs noise is something that respects the user. The ability to glance at my phone and get the most important info without parsing out noise - that's a big plus. The ability to mix and match widgets on my home and lock screen to display the data I want without crowding stuff out - also great. It's funny that a related argument against mobile is that all apps demand full screen and it's difficult to do advanced work bc of app switch friction - well this approach of forcing apps to limit and prioritize info puts out a path of addressing that inefficiency nicely. > what important APIs did they axe now? Again many API turn downs improve user privacy, improve system stability, or push apps to more battery/memory efficient APIs. Do you really want win32 level of API compatibility? As a user I don't care. As a developer I would rather work on a living and evolving platform then a fossil or legacy tarpit.
Abishek_Muthian 5y ago
What I want from a grandparent mode is for the app to not show an sign-up announcement screen with every update or at least have that X (close) prominently; Adobe Acrobat Reader is notorious in that regard as they showcase their graphics prowess with fancy 'Sign-up' screen with every update and almost invisible (X) button; Old people who are just trying to open a pdf from the email shouldn't have to put up with this.

5e92cb50239222b 5y ago

Screens keep getting bigger, while tweets stay the same size. You need something to pad the rest of the space.

VortexDream 5y ago
How about more tweets? The information density on modern everything is utter garbage.
- reayn 5y ago
  I doubt anyone here wants more tweets. I personally wish the twitter UI would just be entirely whitespace (or a fine chirping blue if they're feeling adventerous) for their audience to sit and enjoy; I can genuinely find no drawbacks to such a UI rework.
  - VortexDream 5y ago
    You're not wrong. I guess I'm more annoyed by how widespread it has become to waste whitespace. The new Reddit design is unusable for me because of how much space it wastes. I try it sometimes for a few days, then go back to the old design and feel so much happier to be able to see so much at once without distractions.
    - reayn 5y ago
      Whitespace is among the least of new reddit's problems lol.

k8sToGo 5y ago

I feel the same about it. Also now the settings it's just a bunch of text without icons.

causi 5y ago

As someone who grew up using 160x160 and 320x320 PDAs, the idea a smartphone now uses a 1080x1200 rectangle to only give me eight buttons makes me want to throw up.

SahAssar 5y ago
Those PDAs generally used styluses, similarly sized screens (or at least about half the size of current phones, 4-5", so a very different DPI) and it was considered okay to make interface elements so small that you could not walk and reliably hit them at the same time. By your logic we should be able to use a PDA interface on a smartwatch.
Isthatablackgsd 5y ago
As someone who used 132x65 pagers back then, my Blackberry RIM 850 can display more information in the screen than my Samsung Note 8. I loathe this "maximum white space!!" UIs as well. My boss prefers the grandparent-mode UIs whereas I prefer compact with every space is being used as possible. I like to have high-density texts like the old day of Reddit to minimum screen-scrolling.
- nix23 5y ago
  Oh man, blackberry's where such perfect communication devices, fast writing no additional bs...i miss that time, it was the perfect mix of smart and dump phone...and nothing more was/is needed.
  - naikrovek 5y ago
    oh yeah we all look back super fondly on the dozens and dozens of nested lists that somehow was considered passable as a user interface. I'm no fan of the current whitespace-heavy UI paradigm, but to say BlackBerry did it better is definitely not matching my own memories of my BlackBerry devices at all.
    - Isthatablackgsd 5y ago

mminer237 5y ago

It now opaquely covers the entire screen when you look at a single notification.

vetinari 5y ago

> In 20 years only a single letter at a time on the screen? Don't you think that a letter is a bit optimistic? What about colored buttons with icons, ala Idiocracy?

naikrovek 5y ago

always nice when an optimist joins the conversation. everything just lightens right up.

thomasahle 5y ago

> all the whitespace and even lower information density. What's the endgame? I don't think fashion has an endgame.

hammyhavoc 5y ago
Whitespace so hot right now.

hammock 5y ago

>Looks like grandparent mode is enabled by default with all the whitespace and even lower information density. What's the endgame? In 20 years only a single letter at a time on the screen? Just playing to their customer. As time goes on, the demographics of Android users get older and less savvy as everyone else switches to iPhone. (not snark, I have a Pixel myself)

MBCook 5y ago
Are they? Or is it change for change’s sake. If it looks like it did the last 5 years it looks “old” so you have to do something. They did this. It’s trendy. Later they’ll “discover” information density and go in the other direction.

citizenpaul 5y ago

Well at first IT people complained because boomers wouldn't learn how to use computers. Now they (sorta)did and they want one letter per screen. Since they still control the majority of the market share that is what we will get by default. Its really the getting old denial mode. All of those people need reading glasses not huge font. Seriously the in house attorney where i worked(like 70yo) had his phone font set so large it was like 2-3 words per screen on email and text.

bhawks 5y ago

> Looks like grandparent mode... I almost cut my arm off with all that edge. Care to dial it back a bit? The counterpoint is that most of the 'information' apps think are important really are wasting my time and obscuring actual signal. Putting design on a diet and making apps think about what data is priority vs noise is something that respects the user. The ability to glance at my phone and get the most important info without parsing out noise - that's a big plus. The ability to mix and match widgets on my home and lock screen to display the data I want without crowding stuff out - also great. It's funny that a related argument against mobile is that all apps demand full screen and it's difficult to do advanced work bc of app switch friction - well this approach of forcing apps to limit and prioritize info puts out a path of addressing that inefficiency nicely. > what important APIs did they axe now? Again many API turn downs improve user privacy, improve system stability, or push apps to more battery/memory efficient APIs. Do you really want win32 level of API compatibility? As a user I don't care. As a developer I would rather work on a living and evolving platform then a fossil or legacy tarpit.

Abishek_Muthian 5y ago

What I want from a grandparent mode is for the app to not show an sign-up announcement screen with every update or at least have that X (close) prominently; Adobe Acrobat Reader is notorious in that regard as they showcase their graphics prowess with fancy 'Sign-up' screen with every update and almost invisible (X) button; Old people who are just trying to open a pdf from the email shouldn't have to put up with this.