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> So, the solution? Uh, hmmmm...lemme get back to you on that. Tax the excess from the wealthy industries and redistribute via whatever reasonably fair set of

> So, the solution? Uh, hmmmm...lemme get back to you on that. Tax the excess from the wealthy industries and redistribute via whatever reasonably fair set of programs you happen to like. I know, I know, communism, yada yada. But that's the solution, and it's trivially proven to work. Basically every economy (including the USA) does this in a zillion ways already. It's just that "finance and software" haven't been among the victims so far so it seems like a disruption. The point here isn't to provoke an argument about SoCIaLisM or whatever, just to point out that your feigned ignorance of working solutions isn't correct. We know how to fix this.

brigandish 5y ago
> I know, I know, communism, yada yada. But that's the solution, and it's trivially proven to work work is doing a lot of, erm, work in that sentence. If it means "impoverish and oppress" then you're right. Otherwise, I can't for the life of me think of a single example where it has "worked".
- imtringued 5y ago
  > Otherwise, I can't for the life of me think of a single example where it has "worked". Because you didn't live during those times. They are what resolved the great depression. They have been abolished since the 70s which means they haven't been done for the last 50 years. Why else do you think has the economy been stagnant for 20 years?
  - brigandish 5y ago
    > Because you didn't live during those times. History is recorded in increasing detail over time. By the 1930s there was a lot of recording being done and a lot of it is still extant. Communism did not resolve the Great Depression anywhere, let alone the United States, and if you're wondering why communism has had such a bad rap since the 70s, I can give numerous examples for that. I have to wonder why you don't know, for example, about the killing fields of Cambodia.
    - newacct583 5y ago
      > Communism did not resolve the Great Depression Not be belabor an outrageously belabored point, but no one is talking about anything that anyone ever called "communism". We're talking about things like progressive income taxation, medicare, social security, welfare, the WPA, etc... The people who implemented those policies weren't communists. Communists themselves were spending the whole time working toward revolution in a proletarian struggle against the governments who did that stuff. I know it's en vogue in some modern circles to rebrand New Deal economics as "communism". But... sorry, it's really fucking stupid. Don't do that. This site strives for a higher level of discourse.
      - brigandish 5y ago
        > but no one is talking about anything that anyone ever called "communism" The quote at the top of this thread that I responded to is: > I know, I know, communism, yada yada. But that's the solution, and it's trivially proven to work > sorry, it's really fucking stupid. Don't do that. This site strives for a higher level of discourse. I would say that what's actually fucking stupid and what should not be done is to: a) lie b) be rude c) be a hypocrite I don't know if Dang watches these threads and I'm generally against hellbanning, yet somehow I wouldn't be bothered for a second if he hellbanned you.
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        newacct583 5y ago
        For the record, that was my quote. And it was sarcasm, intended (clearly, I thought) to head off the kind of ridiculous digression about terminology that you dove right into anyway. So you'll have to forgive my profanity. But I stand by it: the idea that Roosevelt et. al. and the mid-century western flirtation with social welfare and redistributable economics constitutes "communism" is really fucking stupid.
        brigandish 5y ago

brigandish 5y ago

> I know, I know, communism, yada yada. But that's the solution, and it's trivially proven to work work is doing a lot of, erm, work in that sentence. If it means "impoverish and oppress" then you're right. Otherwise, I can't for the life of me think of a single example where it has "worked".

imtringued 5y ago
> Otherwise, I can't for the life of me think of a single example where it has "worked". Because you didn't live during those times. They are what resolved the great depression. They have been abolished since the 70s which means they haven't been done for the last 50 years. Why else do you think has the economy been stagnant for 20 years?
- brigandish 5y ago
  > Because you didn't live during those times. History is recorded in increasing detail over time. By the 1930s there was a lot of recording being done and a lot of it is still extant. Communism did not resolve the Great Depression anywhere, let alone the United States, and if you're wondering why communism has had such a bad rap since the 70s, I can give numerous examples for that. I have to wonder why you don't know, for example, about the killing fields of Cambodia.
  - newacct583 5y ago
    > Communism did not resolve the Great Depression Not be belabor an outrageously belabored point, but no one is talking about anything that anyone ever called "communism". We're talking about things like progressive income taxation, medicare, social security, welfare, the WPA, etc... The people who implemented those policies weren't communists. Communists themselves were spending the whole time working toward revolution in a proletarian struggle against the governments who did that stuff. I know it's en vogue in some modern circles to rebrand New Deal economics as "communism". But... sorry, it's really fucking stupid. Don't do that. This site strives for a higher level of discourse.
    - brigandish 5y ago
      > but no one is talking about anything that anyone ever called "communism" The quote at the top of this thread that I responded to is: > I know, I know, communism, yada yada. But that's the solution, and it's trivially proven to work > sorry, it's really fucking stupid. Don't do that. This site strives for a higher level of discourse. I would say that what's actually fucking stupid and what should not be done is to: a) lie b) be rude c) be a hypocrite I don't know if Dang watches these threads and I'm generally against hellbanning, yet somehow I wouldn't be bothered for a second if he hellbanned you.
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      - newacct583 5y ago
        For the record, that was my quote. And it was sarcasm, intended (clearly, I thought) to head off the kind of ridiculous digression about terminology that you dove right into anyway. So you'll have to forgive my profanity. But I stand by it: the idea that Roosevelt et. al. and the mid-century western flirtation with social welfare and redistributable economics constitutes "communism" is really fucking stupid.
        brigandish 5y ago