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Isn't it like this in practically every European country? We have ID cards with every one of those fields printed on them, including thumbprints. All of that in
by vadfa 5y ago
Isn't it like this in practically every European country? We have ID cards with every one of those fields printed on them, including thumbprints. All of that information is probably in one big table somewhere.
- DoingIsLearning 5y agoMost EU cards also integrate fiscal id numbers and national healthcare id numbers in the chip but arguably do exclude registered address, so only a city/province of residence is available.
- vadfa 5y agoNot sure about the rest but Spanish ID card includes full address.
- N19PEDL2 5y agoItalian ID cards too, as well as the owner's signature, the fiscal code (an unique identification code similar to the SSN in the USA) and the fingerprints (though these latter are stored in the chip only, not printed on the card). It's very likely that this data is also stored in some government database, which I hope will never get breached.
- CaciaraAsAServi 5y agoNitpick (as you well know) - codice fiscale in Italy differs from USA SSN in that, for once, it has never had AFAIK any semblance of secrecy at all, as you can easily construct it starting from name, surname, place and date of birth [1] Funnily enough, this sometimes results in two individuals computing to the same code [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_fiscal_code https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_fiscal_code [2] https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omocodia https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omocodia
- soco 5y agoSwiss cards not but well Switzerland is not EU...
- dgellow 5y agoIt’s part of Schengen though. But I confirm, no adresse on our ID cards.
- inter_netuser 5y agoGermany supposedly does not have a central registry, I've been informed.
- MonkeyClub 5y agoBecause of (political) federation I assume, right? However are the regional governments supposed to develop their own solutions, or are they using a centrally developed database, just with local unconnected instances?
- inter_netuser 5y ago"Contrary to popular belief, there is no central administration of resident registration in Germany. The exception is the registration of resident aliens (see Central Register of Foreign Nationals). Registration is organized by 5283 local offices throughout Germany.[18] " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident_registration#Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident_registration#Germany I was also told something on identity cards only lives on the cards, but cannot find the source or details on that.
- germanier 5y agoEach municipality is free to choose their own solution to the legal requirements (which includes a standardized API). For the moment, there are eight different software solutions on the market (developed by both public and private entities), see https://www1.osci.de/meldewesen/xmeld/registrierte-hersteller-2286 https://www1.osci.de/meldewesen/xmeld/registrierte-herstelle...
- Semaphor 5y agoSource? Even the Addresses (Melderegister) are centralized. edit: Looking it up [0] it looks like there is far more data there, all in a central database since at least 2015 (not sure how it worked before). [0]: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melderegister#Deutschland https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melderegister#Deutschland
- inter_netuser 5y ago
- Aeolun 5y agoTo be fair, The security around the digital system in the Netherlands, is almost painful. Japan is really good in this, they store everything on paper and fax it around. They’re also starting with a national ID now though.
- roenxi 5y agoEveryone does it is not actually a persuasive argument that something is a good idea. It was an uphill struggle back in the day to get everyone washing their hands. This is a predictable outcome of a government creating then storing long term secrets in a database. Governments are not good at keeping secrets. The data will leak.
- vadfa 5y agoI don't remember justifying it. Your comment seems a cheap karma grab.
- ogogmad 5y agoNot in the UK (which is in Europe but no longer in the EU). Was planned before 2010 and then got scrapped by the subsequent government. What's in the works now?
- maze-le 5y agoI think so, but it doesn't mean that it is a good idea... Every bit that creates an official identity should be handled with great care.