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My guess is this change was brought about by all the poor quality USB-C cables, hubs, and chargers out there. I bricked my Macbook Pro M1 by trying to power it

My guess is this change was brought about by all the poor quality USB-C cables, hubs, and chargers out there. I bricked my Macbook Pro M1 by trying to power it from a supposedly compatible hub but wasn't negotiating the power output properly. Had to send it in for repair and have heard many other similar reports... guessing they decided to bring back the Magsafe for fast charging to avoid this headache of cheap/improperly manufactured USB-C hardware.

handrous 5y ago
The place I worked when the USB-C MacBooks came out had a hell of a time with video output. This monitor only works with a DisplayPort dongle, this one won't work with a new MacBook at all, this one works but only if you use one specific cable, this one works but glitches in ways it never did with HDMI, et c. There came to be a whole level of cult knowledge about which laptop + cable + monitor combos would work and which wouldn't. It was a very dumb situation. If they really wanted to go to USB-C they should have had a transition period where they just replaced the thunderbolt and maybe the charging ports, until shit settled down—which it never really did, because the USB-C cable situation is insane, so here we are, with some ports added back. It's 2021, almost 2022, and I still wish one of the ports they'd put back was USB-A. I'll probably feel the same way in 2025. Maybe by 2030, when almost none of these MBPs are still in use, I won't still need a USB-A port way more than I need a USB-C port.
- spectre3d 5y ago
  They kept two USB-A ports on the 2020 M1 Mac mini. I’m grateful for that, but having them provided by a dock is fine for me. It’s possible they’ll show up in upcoming machines like the iMac Pro and Mac Pro.
- apostacy 5y ago
  I think that many people only decided that they didn't need these features because Apple removed them. It reminds me of this video from awhile ago by The Onion: Apple Introduces Revolutionary New Laptop With No Keyboard[1] [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA
  - hbn 5y ago
    Oh man, that's one of my favorite Onion videos. So many clever subtleties that make it a UX nightmare. Like how the first suggestion when you select T is the unicode TM symbol, the absurd sentence predictions that come up first when you type "the a", scrolling through an alphabetical list of every file on your hard drive. I also imagine they were making a joke with the $2600 starting price, which is funny cause that's what I paid (albeit in Canadian dollars) for my base-model 14" MBP yesterday
ErneX 5y ago
These new computers can also be charged over USB-C.
gnufied 5y ago
This is moot now right? Because even though magsafe point is back, they are still shiping with USBC charger by default.
- jonny_eh 5y ago
  And you can still plug a sketchy USB-C charger into one of the 3 ports.
  - kainosnoema 5y ago
    The announcement implies that they no longer attempt fast charging over USB-C, so lower power requirement will improve reliability with 3rd party hardware.
    - jhugo 5y ago
      What? Where does it imply that?
tw04 5y ago
> My guess is this change was brought about by all the poor quality USB-C cables, hubs, and chargers out there. I doubt it, you can still plug the usb-c >> magsafe3 cable into a crappy hub. It’s almost assuredly to bring back the “my idiot pet or rambunctious child just ran through my power cord” breakaway support.

handrous 5y ago

The place I worked when the USB-C MacBooks came out had a hell of a time with video output. This monitor only works with a DisplayPort dongle, this one won't work with a new MacBook at all, this one works but only if you use one specific cable, this one works but glitches in ways it never did with HDMI, et c. There came to be a whole level of cult knowledge about which laptop + cable + monitor combos would work and which wouldn't. It was a very dumb situation. If they really wanted to go to USB-C they should have had a transition period where they just replaced the thunderbolt and maybe the charging ports, until shit settled down—which it never really did, because the USB-C cable situation is insane, so here we are, with some ports added back. It's 2021, almost 2022, and I still wish one of the ports they'd put back was USB-A. I'll probably feel the same way in 2025. Maybe by 2030, when almost none of these MBPs are still in use, I won't still need a USB-A port way more than I need a USB-C port.

spectre3d 5y ago
They kept two USB-A ports on the 2020 M1 Mac mini. I’m grateful for that, but having them provided by a dock is fine for me. It’s possible they’ll show up in upcoming machines like the iMac Pro and Mac Pro.
apostacy 5y ago
I think that many people only decided that they didn't need these features because Apple removed them. It reminds me of this video from awhile ago by The Onion: Apple Introduces Revolutionary New Laptop With No Keyboard[1] [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA
- hbn 5y ago
  Oh man, that's one of my favorite Onion videos. So many clever subtleties that make it a UX nightmare. Like how the first suggestion when you select T is the unicode TM symbol, the absurd sentence predictions that come up first when you type "the a", scrolling through an alphabetical list of every file on your hard drive. I also imagine they were making a joke with the $2600 starting price, which is funny cause that's what I paid (albeit in Canadian dollars) for my base-model 14" MBP yesterday

ErneX 5y ago

These new computers can also be charged over USB-C.

gnufied 5y ago

This is moot now right? Because even though magsafe point is back, they are still shiping with USBC charger by default.

jonny_eh 5y ago
And you can still plug a sketchy USB-C charger into one of the 3 ports.
- kainosnoema 5y ago
  The announcement implies that they no longer attempt fast charging over USB-C, so lower power requirement will improve reliability with 3rd party hardware.
  - jhugo 5y ago
    What? Where does it imply that?

tw04 5y ago

> My guess is this change was brought about by all the poor quality USB-C cables, hubs, and chargers out there. I doubt it, you can still plug the usb-c >> magsafe3 cable into a crappy hub. It’s almost assuredly to bring back the “my idiot pet or rambunctious child just ran through my power cord” breakaway support.