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Apple October Event [video]
- onemoresoop 5y agoOh, notch you again. I'd rather they had a camera slide up from behind but am not sure how a good idea that is either, moving parts are fragile.. Oh well, at least the machine is performant and they got rid of the fancy but useless touch bar.
- terramex 5y agoInteresting to see them going back to human curated Apple Music playlists. They started that way when they rebranded Beats Music and it was amazing, but once they switched to ""AI"" recommendations their quality tanked massively and I cancelled my subscription few weeks later. Might give them another chance now.
- m_ke 5y agoSeeing them promote another subscription is kind of sad. Would have been nice to see them announce a new ipod nano so that I could stop having to strap a tablet sized phone to my arm when I go to exercise.
- sand500 5y agoThey would rather you buy apple watch + airpods
- m_ke 5y agoI have both, unfortunately I can't store any music on the watch unless I use apple music.
- sand500 5y agosounds like WAI
- realityking 5y agoSpotify now also allows downloading music to the Apple Watch https://newsroom.spotify.com/2021-05-21/enjoy-more-ways-than-ever-to-use-spotify-on-your-apple-watch-now-with-downloads/ https://newsroom.spotify.com/2021-05-21/enjoy-more-ways-than...
- fdgsdfogijq 5y agoThe cynic in me wants to dismiss the leaps and bounds of the M1 chips. The reality is I own one of these laptops and am constantly surprised at how much better it is than the intel chips. Its going to be hard not to turn my current M1 laptop in and upgrade to the newer M1 Max.
- weatherlight 5y agoI'm in the same boat. I really like my 14 inch M1. the M1Max specwise seems insane.
- rewgs 5y agoI think you mean 13 inch. The 14 inch today is the first 14 inch model they've released.
- asimpletune 5y agoThe way that Apple has scaled the original M1 architecture to the M1 Pro/Pro Max bodes extremely well for the future.
- ascagnel_ 5y agoThis has always been the thing to watch for me -- performance on its own hasn't been equivalent to "best of the best" (one of these new laptops isn't going to be beating a 3090), but what they're doing is being done in such a smaller thermal envelope that nothing really compares.
- notwhereyouare 5y agoLooks like they are bringing back the HDMI port and sd card slot on the pro. Wonder if they got enough complaints about those I/Os being missing on a "pro" machine
- Apocryphon 5y agoAdding more value by taking away less and bringing back more.
- m_ke 5y agoNot a notch!
- Jtsummers 5y agoThe notch gets a "meh" from me. I mostly use my MBP with everything in fullscreen and a hidden menubar. However, this does come with a thinner bezel and extends the screen into that bezel space so it's kind of a wash. It still beats the 1.5" top bezel (with the camera) on my work laptops (HPs).
- s3r3nity 5y agono one cares
- m_ke 5y agoAs a developer with a mobile app all of the different notches have been a pain to deal with.
- incrudible 5y agoI do care about it a lot.
- TheRealNGenius 5y agogood 4 u
- moepstar 5y agoSpeaking of Apple: Hetzner is going live tomorrow with hosted M1 Mac Minis for 49€ excl. VAT (same added for setup) - available at https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/matrix-apple https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/matrix-apple (link is not live at the time of writing, probably either at midnight CEST or early morning tomorrow) Quote from their forums: Get ready for Apple Mac mini M1 (2020) with 16 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD and optional 2x 1 TB NVMe SSD.
- friedman23 5y agoThis laptop seems to have 0 compromises, I'm buying one instantly.
- protomyth 5y agoIt has a notch. That is one heck of a compromise.
- asimpletune 5y agoIs it? I think the notch is just where the menu already is, so it's sort of a moot point. I'd love if my current Mac camera were integrated into the space that I already use for the menu bar.
- katsura 5y agoSome people, like me, have the top menu bar on auto-hide. So, the notch there is definitely not a universally good thing.
- twalla 5y agoI pretty much live in a fullscreen tmux session and a fullscreen browser window so the notch is pretty lame in my opinion, maybe iterm can put some fun stats or a clock there but to me it's basically like 2 lines of lost screen real estate - not enough to dissuade me from getting it since they put the touch bar where it belongs (the trash), added real ports and fixed the keyboard.
- Jtsummers 5y agoFrom the screenshots and images, it won't impact users like us. When in fullscreen with a hidden menubar, the area left and right of the notch goes black. It's exactly like the current situation in that case, and the only benefit is that when you choose to view the menubar it doesn't eat into the space occupied by the program-in-use.
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- simonebrunozzi 5y agoFinally, the touch bar of the Macbook is gone.
- weatherlight 5y agoI'm going to miss it :( i know that's super unpopular and understand why people don't like it.
- dkonofalski 5y agoSame. I absolutely loved it for video and audio editing but I can understand why most people didn't like it. The new Intel commercials where they try to pass off a few laptops as Macbooks and then "surprise" the people when they're not Macs just reinforced for me how stupid a touchscreen on a laptop is.
- drdaeman 5y agoTouchscreen is not that bad for laptops that can transform into a tablet, but that's a fairly different class of devices.
- drdaeman 5y agoMe too. I'm not sure I'll get this new hardware or look for a different laptop, but I'm going to miss the touch bar. It was incredible for volume and brightness control, occasional uncommon characters input and switching between application tabs. Yea, it sucked really hard when I needed F-keys, but it had its utility. Honestly, it was a bad idea as a replacement for the F-keys - it should've rather been a separate addition above those. It's not like there isn't enough space for both on a 16" chassis.
- rvz 5y ago...and the dreaded notch is back. Time to wait again.
- dkonofalski 5y ago
- incrudible 5y agoI can't believe they're doubling down on the notch. The absolute best thing I can say about the iPhone notch is: I don't hate it enough to switch to Android. It's by far the thing that bothers me the most about the design. It's ugly and lacking harmony with the UI.
- aaroninsf 5y agoI think I stopped "seeing" the notch a few days after upgrading to a model with one. It is not "there" for me cognitively. I imagine the same will be true with a notched laptop display, especially if it is "hiding" in the menu bar. But I am also surprised it's so big, I wonder if once you commit to notching there is a minimum width that becomes harder to mask perceptually...
- s3r3nity 5y agoIt's a much better compromise than the pop-up selfie cameras that were a fad for a sec, but then died because of the extra compromises needed for water resistance, battery, extra motor, etc.
- hu3 5y agoThere are under-display cameras these days. https://www.smartprix.com/bytes/under-display-camera-phones/ https://www.smartprix.com/bytes/under-display-camera-phones/
- adrusi 5y agoThe pop-up cameras proved reliable and I used a OnePlus 7 Pro for two years, and found it adequately water resistant (good enough for me to give it a rinse in the sink every now and then). The internal space that the module occupied was the only real disadvantage of the pop-up camera, restricting the space available for the battery. Although I didn't have any complaints about the battery life of this phone.
- lemonade5117 5y agoAm I the only one bothered by the thickness? I mean, the new macs are going to be amazing machines but....it's just so un-Apple, you know? Still, gonna pick one up as soon as I can :)
- bettysdiagnose 5y agoPersonally not. They've been optimising for thinness at the cost of pro-ness for too long I think. This seems like a more sensible balance to me.
- aaroninsf 5y agoHard agree. I've been mildly on the side of "enough with losing features in pursuit of thinness" for a good while, and while I appreciate the heft of my 13", I'll let them worry about that for the next New Thing when it comes in Goldest Gold. For now, magsafe! HDMI! A keyboard that works!!!
- weaksauce 5y agoI'd much rather them make it a little thicker and have better cooling and features.
- rewgs 5y agoAbsolutely not. The 16 inch is a huge laptop even if it's thin. Might as well make it a touch thicker if it means better thermals/battery life.
- vestrigi 5y agoI thought it looked thicker too but it turns out the new models are even 0.01cm thinner (if you want to call it that).
- lemonade5117 5y agoOh wow, it certainly doesn't look that way but the new ones actually are thinner. That's interesting.
- Svetlitski 5y agoThe specs on the new MacBook Pro are incredible, especially considering people were already blown away by the performance of the first M1 MacBook. It’s a seriously powerful machine. And the additional ports are a very welcome change.
- lifty 5y agoApple store is crashing after this event.
- asimpletune 5y agoSo, as far as I can tell, they listened to every single complaint people had about the last generation of pro Macs. These are in every meaning of the word pro machines. Now, they're so pro, I can't imagine why anyone would need one, unless they do multi-media professionally, or work exclusively in Xcode. I can't even believe they compromised on size and weight in order to deliver something more pro. It's a complaint I've been hearing for years, how people would gladly accept a bigger laptop if it were a "true" pro machine. Well, wishes granted. Edit: (quick comparison in thickness and weight) Previous MB Pros were (respectively): * 15.49mm/1.49kg * 16.51mm/1.95kg New M1 Pro Macs are: * 15.49mm/1.65kg * 16.67mm/2.1kg (or 2.2kg for the "max")
- laurent92 5y agoUnfortunately, they compromised on price. A 16GB version is immediately 3000€ in Europe, which is a lot for a less well-off area than USA.
- stouset 5y agoI would love to see you provide a link to a laptop with comparable specs to the 14" MBP at a cheaper price.
- nzp 5y agoI just compared some prices in Italy. * Lowest spec 14 inch MBP (16/512 GB) 2349€ * 15 inch XPS, i9, 16/512 GB, RTX 3050 Ti, maxed out screen (with Windows Home, heh) - 2849€, this computer is a joke compared to what we can expect from even the cheapest 14 MBP * For a bit more fairer comparison, an XPS 17, i9 16/512 GB, RTX 3060, maxed screen (still with Windows Home) - 3549€, but even this probably can't hold a candle to the cheapest 14 MBP For reference, an almost maxed out 16 MBP (4 TB disk, instead of 8) is 5559€, a maxed out 17 inch XPS 4999€. I think Apple has been more than fair with prices in this case. These machines are usually bought as tools, a business expense, it's not much in the grand scheme of things.
- nomel 5y agoSo, 0 and 160um thickness change, or around two human hairs thicker. And 160g and 150g weight change, or one iPhone mini heavier. One iPhone Pro Max heavier for the for "max" version. Personally, I don't think I would notice.
- twalla 5y agoThe M1 stuff is amazing but it's kind of a sad state of affairs when I'm unreasonably happy about having things (decent keyboard, connectivity) that should be table stakes for a professional level laptop. Mostly just bummed that we appear to have traded one gimmick - the touchbar, for another - the notch.
- acchow 5y agoThe notch is a design tradeoff, not a gimmick.
- incrudible 5y agoIt is a gimmick. There are laptops with slim bezels, HD cameras and no notch whatsoever. If it was a tradeoff, they would've made it smaller. It's a branding effort. Remember, they're referring to the notch as iconic.
- zepto 5y agoWhich laptops are you thinking of?
- acchow 5y agoWouldn’t removing the notch require either the bezel to become wider or the display thickness to increase to fit the camera hardware? The older macbooks just have a wider bezel and that’s where the camera goes. Which laptops have neither? This new macbook has a 3.5mm bezel and achieves it with the camera in the "notch". By comparison, the thinnest non-mac bezel I've seen is the Huawei Matebook at 4.4mm but it puts in the camera in the keyboard facing upwards towards your face (awkward angle "nosecam"). Which means your fingers can show up in the camera if you're typing during a video call.
- incrudible 5y agoThe current Dell XPS has slim bezels, way slimmer than a current Macbook. Perhaps not as slim as this one, but it's not a meaningful difference, I'd take it over a notch any day. The camera is at the top.
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- rzr999 5y agoHow does memory bandwidth between M1 Pro and M1 Max affect CPU (not GPU) performance?