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It's giving people the pressure to obtain other means of survival, as we've seen, when the restaurants closed, the people in hospitality were able to have time

It's giving people the pressure to obtain other means of survival, as we've seen, when the restaurants closed, the people in hospitality were able to have time to learn other things and changed careers, so that right now the whole industry can't find enough people. Good thing, so I am not sure what is your point, to have a sector which can only survive by exploiting workers because there is nothing else? There is something else, as we're seeing And as far as I'm seeing, their bargaining power is only going up, workers can survive without their bosses, it's the bosses that get richer by thieving wealth from their workers

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
Uh oh, "bosses stealing wealth from their workers" - now that's yet another despicable stance I despise. You really repeat word for word the slogans of soviet socialists who went on to plunder the country and kill off or expulse the majority it's most capable people. It's a shame how such poisonous views proliferate in modern society.
- lnxg33k1 5y ago
  Or someone good at math just made some calculations and found out that if people at the top have a villa and a tesla and people at the bottom can't get to the end of the month without a side job, some wealth stealing is happening somewhere, it's not like "Oh they were saying the same things so they are not true and we should not do anything about it" But we should stop thinking about the past and think about the current situation and how to fix it I've read a bit and I think the problem with russia was not the communism, it is cultural, it sucked even before when the tsars were burning books and limiting the expression possibilities, including the fact that Russia and the eastern europe has never been through the renovation process of western europe and the liberal movements never took place there, I would hardly use russia as an example for anything, so please stop using russia as a background to don't add anything useful to principle exposed, we fought fascism which was on-par with the totalitarianism of tsarism and communism, and created a fair society that lasted for few decades, which now needs help in order to get better, if you guys decided to suppress a totalitarian government with a worse one, it's not the fault of ideas, it's just your culture and/or approach that is wrong I'm sorry to come off as harsh but it's been all day that you wanted to use Russia as an example ignoring that you have had the same issues of lack of freedom, redistribution and fairness even before communism was even an idea
  - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
    > I've read a bit and I think the problem with russia was not the communism You've read the wrong bits. Before the WW1 Russia had a booming cultural and scientific spheres, was undergoing a rapid industrialization and had a lot of philosophical schools and movements. All was hampered by an ineffective and inadequate authoritarian rule, but the human capital was there and rapidly closing the gaps to leading economies. In fact, the seeds planted at that time allowed Russia to quickly rebuild and industrialize after the revolution, withstand Germany in WW2 and emerge as a leading world power on par with the USA, maintaining this status for many decades, doing all of this despite the ineffective socialistic rule. Now, the reds came to power only after they have staged a successful coup late in 1917, toppling the interim government that was in power after the Tzar abdication. After the coup the Reds won the brutal civil war, chanting those very slogans you are repeating. I believe that if not for this unfortunate event, Russia would peacefully transition to democracy and by now would be one of the leading European economies, with twice the population it has now. The world could have learned a lesson from all of this, but the ideas of equality and justice are sounding so seductive to unlearned audience. If only they knew that equality means mediocrity. Oh, and Tsars never burned books, that was what Nazis did.
    - lnxg33k1 5y ago
      I would happily read sources that prove this as being false Or at least the closest paragraph in terms of timeline with the birth of Soviet russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Censorship_(Russian_Empire) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Censorship_(Russian_... But even seeing at what's happening now, you have a rogue state, made of oligarchs, killing journalists, and I guess it's hardly communism to be blamed, I think happening in Russia was the worst thing that could've happened to the communist ideas
      - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
        There sure was censorship. Most famous russian poet Aleksander Pushkin was even personally censored by the Tzar. But burning books (as in, theatrically staging a ritual of burning offending books) - no, that didn't happen. Offending books were simply confiscated and likely left to rot in some warehouse..

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago

Uh oh, "bosses stealing wealth from their workers" - now that's yet another despicable stance I despise. You really repeat word for word the slogans of soviet socialists who went on to plunder the country and kill off or expulse the majority it's most capable people. It's a shame how such poisonous views proliferate in modern society.

lnxg33k1 5y ago
Or someone good at math just made some calculations and found out that if people at the top have a villa and a tesla and people at the bottom can't get to the end of the month without a side job, some wealth stealing is happening somewhere, it's not like "Oh they were saying the same things so they are not true and we should not do anything about it" But we should stop thinking about the past and think about the current situation and how to fix it I've read a bit and I think the problem with russia was not the communism, it is cultural, it sucked even before when the tsars were burning books and limiting the expression possibilities, including the fact that Russia and the eastern europe has never been through the renovation process of western europe and the liberal movements never took place there, I would hardly use russia as an example for anything, so please stop using russia as a background to don't add anything useful to principle exposed, we fought fascism which was on-par with the totalitarianism of tsarism and communism, and created a fair society that lasted for few decades, which now needs help in order to get better, if you guys decided to suppress a totalitarian government with a worse one, it's not the fault of ideas, it's just your culture and/or approach that is wrong I'm sorry to come off as harsh but it's been all day that you wanted to use Russia as an example ignoring that you have had the same issues of lack of freedom, redistribution and fairness even before communism was even an idea
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
  > I've read a bit and I think the problem with russia was not the communism You've read the wrong bits. Before the WW1 Russia had a booming cultural and scientific spheres, was undergoing a rapid industrialization and had a lot of philosophical schools and movements. All was hampered by an ineffective and inadequate authoritarian rule, but the human capital was there and rapidly closing the gaps to leading economies. In fact, the seeds planted at that time allowed Russia to quickly rebuild and industrialize after the revolution, withstand Germany in WW2 and emerge as a leading world power on par with the USA, maintaining this status for many decades, doing all of this despite the ineffective socialistic rule. Now, the reds came to power only after they have staged a successful coup late in 1917, toppling the interim government that was in power after the Tzar abdication. After the coup the Reds won the brutal civil war, chanting those very slogans you are repeating. I believe that if not for this unfortunate event, Russia would peacefully transition to democracy and by now would be one of the leading European economies, with twice the population it has now. The world could have learned a lesson from all of this, but the ideas of equality and justice are sounding so seductive to unlearned audience. If only they knew that equality means mediocrity. Oh, and Tsars never burned books, that was what Nazis did.
  - lnxg33k1 5y ago
    I would happily read sources that prove this as being false Or at least the closest paragraph in terms of timeline with the birth of Soviet russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Censorship_(Russian_Empire) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Censorship_(Russian_... But even seeing at what's happening now, you have a rogue state, made of oligarchs, killing journalists, and I guess it's hardly communism to be blamed, I think happening in Russia was the worst thing that could've happened to the communist ideas
    - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
      There sure was censorship. Most famous russian poet Aleksander Pushkin was even personally censored by the Tzar. But burning books (as in, theatrically staging a ritual of burning offending books) - no, that didn't happen. Offending books were simply confiscated and likely left to rot in some warehouse..