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The thing is that you guys from Russia have started thinking that you're the solo holder of human sufference, I come from Southern Italy with Mafia and absent g

The thing is that you guys from Russia have started thinking that you're the solo holder of human sufference, I come from Southern Italy with Mafia and absent government, where rich get richer, kids play on the street surrounded by heroin needles, all with few castles of rich people being the kings among the shit, so yeah I won't dare to tell you how entitled you are to your ideas, but probably if the people that took power had the feeling that doing what they did was fair, maybe had their reasons

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
The proper solution is not to rob the rich under the cheering applause of people like you, but to make poor people more wealthy.
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- lnxg33k1 5y ago
  Yeah it's a shame that no one thought about fighting inequality making workers wealthier so far, thank God there are people like you that enlighten us, you're also one of those who found that guns don't shot people but it's people that shot people, right? If the solution is that then why the rich oppose the increase of minimum wage? What should be the solution to making workers wealthier without touching the bosses? The stock market? After all the crashes and wealth theft of funds? Do you guys ever connect the brain before typing?
  - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
    Because despite what you think, people doing business aren't actually that rich. When you chant socialist crap like "bosses get rich by stealing wealth from workers" [1], you casually omit that many businesses are scraping the bottom of the barrel to keep workers employed (as in putting the food in the tables) in the first place. And that mandatory increasing workers' wages would result in their immediate termination from the job because it would no longer be sustainable, putting laid off workers on welfare. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28905425 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28905425
    - lnxg33k1 5y ago
      Those businesses scraping the bottom of the barrel can disappear if their business model is weak, it's not that every one is supposed to be a business owner, so that they don't create unfair competition towards more capable business owners
      - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
        Let me guess: you are not a business owner, and you have no idea what it means to be one. (My guess is based on the amount of a plundering socialist rhetoric in your comments)
    - imtringued 5y ago
      A lot of those jobs shouldn't exist in the first place. Most of the time minimum wage increases just result in cost push inflation at the bottom of society. Yes, that means the middle class and above will have to pay more for services provided by minimum wage workers. The upper classes aren't hurting for money so they actually end up paying those wages anyway.
solveit 5y ago
"Maybe Lenin and Stalin had their reasons" is not a take I expected to see on HN today, but that's the lifecycle of all successful intellectually-oriented discussion forums I guess.
- evgen 5y ago
  If you are not completely intellectually-stunted then you might actually know a bit about Russian history of the period. While few would excuse the later actions of Lenin or Stalin, the people who actually revolted against the Tsar had seriously justifiable reasons for doing so and given what I know about the time and place I would like to think that if I were in their place I would have joined them in putting the ruling class up against a wall and shooting them.
  - vidarh 5y ago
    By the time of the Bolshevik coup, the Tsar had been in house arrest after the February Revolution for months. The February Revolution was justified. The Bolshevik coup was not.
    - lnxg33k1 5y ago
      And there was another battle for power between Bolsheviks and mensheviks that took place, but as i said a couple of replies below, is inequality fighting only possible under communism?
      - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
        There was no "battle for power" between Bolsheviks and Mensheviks. It was a political discussion between two blocks inside the party long before it took power.
        dragonwriter 5y ago
        > There was no “battle for power” between Bolsheviks and Mensheviks. It was a political discussion between two blocks inside the party long before it took power. That’s completely false. While they were at one point two blocs in the same party, the dispute was never resolved, and it split into two different parties before the overthrow of the monarchy, and continued to have conflict through the revolutionary period culminating in the Mensheviks being banned by the Bolshevik-led regime in 1921, and a supposed attempt to restore the party was the notional basis for one of the earlier of Stalin’s purges of the 1930s.

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago

The proper solution is not to rob the rich under the cheering applause of people like you, but to make poor people more wealthy.

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lnxg33k1 5y ago
Yeah it's a shame that no one thought about fighting inequality making workers wealthier so far, thank God there are people like you that enlighten us, you're also one of those who found that guns don't shot people but it's people that shot people, right? If the solution is that then why the rich oppose the increase of minimum wage? What should be the solution to making workers wealthier without touching the bosses? The stock market? After all the crashes and wealth theft of funds? Do you guys ever connect the brain before typing?
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
  Because despite what you think, people doing business aren't actually that rich. When you chant socialist crap like "bosses get rich by stealing wealth from workers" [1], you casually omit that many businesses are scraping the bottom of the barrel to keep workers employed (as in putting the food in the tables) in the first place. And that mandatory increasing workers' wages would result in their immediate termination from the job because it would no longer be sustainable, putting laid off workers on welfare. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28905425 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28905425
  - lnxg33k1 5y ago
    Those businesses scraping the bottom of the barrel can disappear if their business model is weak, it's not that every one is supposed to be a business owner, so that they don't create unfair competition towards more capable business owners
    - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
      Let me guess: you are not a business owner, and you have no idea what it means to be one. (My guess is based on the amount of a plundering socialist rhetoric in your comments)
  - imtringued 5y ago
    A lot of those jobs shouldn't exist in the first place. Most of the time minimum wage increases just result in cost push inflation at the bottom of society. Yes, that means the middle class and above will have to pay more for services provided by minimum wage workers. The upper classes aren't hurting for money so they actually end up paying those wages anyway.

solveit 5y ago

"Maybe Lenin and Stalin had their reasons" is not a take I expected to see on HN today, but that's the lifecycle of all successful intellectually-oriented discussion forums I guess.

evgen 5y ago
If you are not completely intellectually-stunted then you might actually know a bit about Russian history of the period. While few would excuse the later actions of Lenin or Stalin, the people who actually revolted against the Tsar had seriously justifiable reasons for doing so and given what I know about the time and place I would like to think that if I were in their place I would have joined them in putting the ruling class up against a wall and shooting them.
- vidarh 5y ago
  By the time of the Bolshevik coup, the Tsar had been in house arrest after the February Revolution for months. The February Revolution was justified. The Bolshevik coup was not.
  - lnxg33k1 5y ago
    And there was another battle for power between Bolsheviks and mensheviks that took place, but as i said a couple of replies below, is inequality fighting only possible under communism?
    - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
      There was no "battle for power" between Bolsheviks and Mensheviks. It was a political discussion between two blocks inside the party long before it took power.
      - dragonwriter 5y ago
        > There was no “battle for power” between Bolsheviks and Mensheviks. It was a political discussion between two blocks inside the party long before it took power. That’s completely false. While they were at one point two blocs in the same party, the dispute was never resolved, and it split into two different parties before the overthrow of the monarchy, and continued to have conflict through the revolutionary period culminating in the Mensheviks being banned by the Bolshevik-led regime in 1921, and a supposed attempt to restore the party was the notional basis for one of the earlier of Stalin’s purges of the 1930s.