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It's rich getting richer at the cost of a whole bunch of individuals getting f*ked, hospitality staff is still being underpaid with 0hours contracts, and tenant

It's rich getting richer at the cost of a whole bunch of individuals getting f*ked, hospitality staff is still being underpaid with 0hours contracts, and tenants are still being f*ked with increased housing prices, so COVID was quite good for lower classes, and I have no sympathy for the upper ones, the worst they get, the happier I am

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
> and I have no sympathy for the upper ones, the worst they get, the happier I am That's the stance I fully despise. My country (Russia) has suffered tremendously (and still does, 100 years later) because people sharing such ideas took power, killing dozens of millions in the process.
- lnxg33k1 5y ago
  The thing is that you guys from Russia have started thinking that you're the solo holder of human sufference, I come from Southern Italy with Mafia and absent government, where rich get richer, kids play on the street surrounded by heroin needles, all with few castles of rich people being the kings among the shit, so yeah I won't dare to tell you how entitled you are to your ideas, but probably if the people that took power had the feeling that doing what they did was fair, maybe had their reasons
  - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
    The proper solution is not to rob the rich under the cheering applause of people like you, but to make poor people more wealthy.
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    - lnxg33k1 5y ago
      Yeah it's a shame that no one thought about fighting inequality making workers wealthier so far, thank God there are people like you that enlighten us, you're also one of those who found that guns don't shot people but it's people that shot people, right? If the solution is that then why the rich oppose the increase of minimum wage? What should be the solution to making workers wealthier without touching the bosses? The stock market? After all the crashes and wealth theft of funds? Do you guys ever connect the brain before typing?
      - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
        Because despite what you think, people doing business aren't actually that rich. When you chant socialist crap like "bosses get rich by stealing wealth from workers" [1], you casually omit that many businesses are scraping the bottom of the barrel to keep workers employed (as in putting the food in the tables) in the first place. And that mandatory increasing workers' wages would result in their immediate termination from the job because it would no longer be sustainable, putting laid off workers on welfare. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28905425 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28905425
        lnxg33k1 5y ago
        Those businesses scraping the bottom of the barrel can disappear if their business model is weak, it's not that every one is supposed to be a business owner, so that they don't create unfair competition towards more capable business owners
        Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
        Let me guess: you are not a business owner, and you have no idea what it means to be one. (My guess is based on the amount of a plundering socialist rhetoric in your comments)
        imtringued 5y ago
        A lot of those jobs shouldn't exist in the first place. Most of the time minimum wage increases just result in cost push inflation at the bottom of society. Yes, that means the middle class and above will have to pay more for services provided by minimum wage workers. The upper classes aren't hurting for money so they actually end up paying those wages anyway.
  - solveit 5y ago
    "Maybe Lenin and Stalin had their reasons" is not a take I expected to see on HN today, but that's the lifecycle of all successful intellectually-oriented discussion forums I guess.
    - evgen 5y ago
      If you are not completely intellectually-stunted then you might actually know a bit about Russian history of the period. While few would excuse the later actions of Lenin or Stalin, the people who actually revolted against the Tsar had seriously justifiable reasons for doing so and given what I know about the time and place I would like to think that if I were in their place I would have joined them in putting the ruling class up against a wall and shooting them.
      - vidarh 5y ago
        By the time of the Bolshevik coup, the Tsar had been in house arrest after the February Revolution for months. The February Revolution was justified. The Bolshevik coup was not.
        lnxg33k1 5y ago
        And there was another battle for power between Bolsheviks and mensheviks that took place, but as i said a couple of replies below, is inequality fighting only possible under communism?
        Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
        There was no "battle for power" between Bolsheviks and Mensheviks. It was a political discussion between two blocks inside the party long before it took power.
        dragonwriter 5y ago
        > There was no “battle for power” between Bolsheviks and Mensheviks. It was a political discussion between two blocks inside the party long before it took power. That’s completely false. While they were at one point two blocs in the same party, the dispute was never resolved, and it split into two different parties before the overthrow of the monarchy, and continued to have conflict through the revolutionary period culminating in the Mensheviks being banned by the Bolshevik-led regime in 1921, and a supposed attempt to restore the party was the notional basis for one of the earlier of Stalin’s purges of the 1930s.
- tut-urut-utut 5y ago
  I doubt that introducing some regulations to introduce more fairness to the market can be honestly comparable to killing millions of people.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
    I was replying to the comment where a poster says this: "the worst they get the happier I am". From this, we can logically conclude that poster would be most happy if rich people get plundered, deprived of their property and possessions, tortured, raped and killed, because these things are the worst that can happen to a person. I can hardly interpret it as a call to introduce some fairness to the market.
    - lnxg33k1 5y ago
      Well i guess there is nothing in the middle ground between having exploiting industries go out of business and have lords raped, tortured and killed
      - imtringued 5y ago
        Wait, so these people are sacrificing themselves to protect the upper classes physical safety? Something doesn't add up... I personally wouldn't give a damn about their safety and I don't mean this in a way that I want to attack them, I mean it in the sense that I wouldn't let them exploit me.
FredPret 5y ago
You seem swell. Give those 0 hour contract workers an actual zero hours (and lower bargaining power due to lower demand), just to stick it to the upper class. Super!
- lnxg33k1 5y ago
  It's giving people the pressure to obtain other means of survival, as we've seen, when the restaurants closed, the people in hospitality were able to have time to learn other things and changed careers, so that right now the whole industry can't find enough people. Good thing, so I am not sure what is your point, to have a sector which can only survive by exploiting workers because there is nothing else? There is something else, as we're seeing And as far as I'm seeing, their bargaining power is only going up, workers can survive without their bosses, it's the bosses that get richer by thieving wealth from their workers
  - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
    Uh oh, "bosses stealing wealth from their workers" - now that's yet another despicable stance I despise. You really repeat word for word the slogans of soviet socialists who went on to plunder the country and kill off or expulse the majority it's most capable people. It's a shame how such poisonous views proliferate in modern society.
    - lnxg33k1 5y ago
      Or someone good at math just made some calculations and found out that if people at the top have a villa and a tesla and people at the bottom can't get to the end of the month without a side job, some wealth stealing is happening somewhere, it's not like "Oh they were saying the same things so they are not true and we should not do anything about it" But we should stop thinking about the past and think about the current situation and how to fix it I've read a bit and I think the problem with russia was not the communism, it is cultural, it sucked even before when the tsars were burning books and limiting the expression possibilities, including the fact that Russia and the eastern europe has never been through the renovation process of western europe and the liberal movements never took place there, I would hardly use russia as an example for anything, so please stop using russia as a background to don't add anything useful to principle exposed, we fought fascism which was on-par with the totalitarianism of tsarism and communism, and created a fair society that lasted for few decades, which now needs help in order to get better, if you guys decided to suppress a totalitarian government with a worse one, it's not the fault of ideas, it's just your culture and/or approach that is wrong I'm sorry to come off as harsh but it's been all day that you wanted to use Russia as an example ignoring that you have had the same issues of lack of freedom, redistribution and fairness even before communism was even an idea

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago

> and I have no sympathy for the upper ones, the worst they get, the happier I am That's the stance I fully despise. My country (Russia) has suffered tremendously (and still does, 100 years later) because people sharing such ideas took power, killing dozens of millions in the process.

lnxg33k1 5y ago
The thing is that you guys from Russia have started thinking that you're the solo holder of human sufference, I come from Southern Italy with Mafia and absent government, where rich get richer, kids play on the street surrounded by heroin needles, all with few castles of rich people being the kings among the shit, so yeah I won't dare to tell you how entitled you are to your ideas, but probably if the people that took power had the feeling that doing what they did was fair, maybe had their reasons
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
  The proper solution is not to rob the rich under the cheering applause of people like you, but to make poor people more wealthy.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - lnxg33k1 5y ago
    Yeah it's a shame that no one thought about fighting inequality making workers wealthier so far, thank God there are people like you that enlighten us, you're also one of those who found that guns don't shot people but it's people that shot people, right? If the solution is that then why the rich oppose the increase of minimum wage? What should be the solution to making workers wealthier without touching the bosses? The stock market? After all the crashes and wealth theft of funds? Do you guys ever connect the brain before typing?
    - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
      Because despite what you think, people doing business aren't actually that rich. When you chant socialist crap like "bosses get rich by stealing wealth from workers" [1], you casually omit that many businesses are scraping the bottom of the barrel to keep workers employed (as in putting the food in the tables) in the first place. And that mandatory increasing workers' wages would result in their immediate termination from the job because it would no longer be sustainable, putting laid off workers on welfare. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28905425 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28905425
      - lnxg33k1 5y ago
        Those businesses scraping the bottom of the barrel can disappear if their business model is weak, it's not that every one is supposed to be a business owner, so that they don't create unfair competition towards more capable business owners
        Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
        Let me guess: you are not a business owner, and you have no idea what it means to be one. (My guess is based on the amount of a plundering socialist rhetoric in your comments)
      - imtringued 5y ago
        A lot of those jobs shouldn't exist in the first place. Most of the time minimum wage increases just result in cost push inflation at the bottom of society. Yes, that means the middle class and above will have to pay more for services provided by minimum wage workers. The upper classes aren't hurting for money so they actually end up paying those wages anyway.
- solveit 5y ago
  "Maybe Lenin and Stalin had their reasons" is not a take I expected to see on HN today, but that's the lifecycle of all successful intellectually-oriented discussion forums I guess.
  - evgen 5y ago
    If you are not completely intellectually-stunted then you might actually know a bit about Russian history of the period. While few would excuse the later actions of Lenin or Stalin, the people who actually revolted against the Tsar had seriously justifiable reasons for doing so and given what I know about the time and place I would like to think that if I were in their place I would have joined them in putting the ruling class up against a wall and shooting them.
    - vidarh 5y ago
      By the time of the Bolshevik coup, the Tsar had been in house arrest after the February Revolution for months. The February Revolution was justified. The Bolshevik coup was not.
      - lnxg33k1 5y ago
        And there was another battle for power between Bolsheviks and mensheviks that took place, but as i said a couple of replies below, is inequality fighting only possible under communism?
        Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
        There was no "battle for power" between Bolsheviks and Mensheviks. It was a political discussion between two blocks inside the party long before it took power.
        dragonwriter 5y ago
        > There was no “battle for power” between Bolsheviks and Mensheviks. It was a political discussion between two blocks inside the party long before it took power. That’s completely false. While they were at one point two blocs in the same party, the dispute was never resolved, and it split into two different parties before the overthrow of the monarchy, and continued to have conflict through the revolutionary period culminating in the Mensheviks being banned by the Bolshevik-led regime in 1921, and a supposed attempt to restore the party was the notional basis for one of the earlier of Stalin’s purges of the 1930s.
tut-urut-utut 5y ago
I doubt that introducing some regulations to introduce more fairness to the market can be honestly comparable to killing millions of people.
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
  I was replying to the comment where a poster says this: "the worst they get the happier I am". From this, we can logically conclude that poster would be most happy if rich people get plundered, deprived of their property and possessions, tortured, raped and killed, because these things are the worst that can happen to a person. I can hardly interpret it as a call to introduce some fairness to the market.
  - lnxg33k1 5y ago
    Well i guess there is nothing in the middle ground between having exploiting industries go out of business and have lords raped, tortured and killed
    - imtringued 5y ago
      Wait, so these people are sacrificing themselves to protect the upper classes physical safety? Something doesn't add up... I personally wouldn't give a damn about their safety and I don't mean this in a way that I want to attack them, I mean it in the sense that I wouldn't let them exploit me.

FredPret 5y ago

You seem swell. Give those 0 hour contract workers an actual zero hours (and lower bargaining power due to lower demand), just to stick it to the upper class. Super!

lnxg33k1 5y ago
It's giving people the pressure to obtain other means of survival, as we've seen, when the restaurants closed, the people in hospitality were able to have time to learn other things and changed careers, so that right now the whole industry can't find enough people. Good thing, so I am not sure what is your point, to have a sector which can only survive by exploiting workers because there is nothing else? There is something else, as we're seeing And as far as I'm seeing, their bargaining power is only going up, workers can survive without their bosses, it's the bosses that get richer by thieving wealth from their workers
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
  Uh oh, "bosses stealing wealth from their workers" - now that's yet another despicable stance I despise. You really repeat word for word the slogans of soviet socialists who went on to plunder the country and kill off or expulse the majority it's most capable people. It's a shame how such poisonous views proliferate in modern society.
  - lnxg33k1 5y ago
    Or someone good at math just made some calculations and found out that if people at the top have a villa and a tesla and people at the bottom can't get to the end of the month without a side job, some wealth stealing is happening somewhere, it's not like "Oh they were saying the same things so they are not true and we should not do anything about it" But we should stop thinking about the past and think about the current situation and how to fix it I've read a bit and I think the problem with russia was not the communism, it is cultural, it sucked even before when the tsars were burning books and limiting the expression possibilities, including the fact that Russia and the eastern europe has never been through the renovation process of western europe and the liberal movements never took place there, I would hardly use russia as an example for anything, so please stop using russia as a background to don't add anything useful to principle exposed, we fought fascism which was on-par with the totalitarianism of tsarism and communism, and created a fair society that lasted for few decades, which now needs help in order to get better, if you guys decided to suppress a totalitarian government with a worse one, it's not the fault of ideas, it's just your culture and/or approach that is wrong I'm sorry to come off as harsh but it's been all day that you wanted to use Russia as an example ignoring that you have had the same issues of lack of freedom, redistribution and fairness even before communism was even an idea