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Are there other, non-currency related, reasons why Blockchain would be used in a game?

jobigoud 5y ago
Virtual land. You could have a persistent game world with ownership rights and then multiple unrelated games using the public information about who owns what. Club membership. Similarly multiple unrelated games could verify that a user is a member of an external organisation to grant certain in-game privileges.
- taejo 5y ago
  Why do you need distributed consensus to do that, though? What's wrong with a database on a server?
  - vladvasiliu 5y ago
    Wouldn't it help with the "publisher doesn't want to maintain a server for that old game anymore" situation?
    - pornel 5y ago
      If you don't have a situation where absolutely nobody can be trusted, then all these things become tractable with the traditional cryptography. In games you can choose to trust a game publisher, a server, or a consensus of a few selected parties. People can prove their identity and ownership of items via a private key. A new server can accept claims signed with a public key of the previous publisher, and you could turn that into a federated system.
    - Darmody 5y ago
      If the publisher shuts the servers down, it doesn't matter if a Blockchain days you're the owner of an item.
      - jobigoud 5y ago
        It matters because it means the community or another publisher can pick up where the original one left and all the data is still there. Or you can build an alternate world and carry users over.
        Darmody 5y ago
        But again you would have to rely on the publisher. And they can simply create a new Blockchain for the game. In the end there's no difference between that and a traditional db.
        dragonwriter 5y ago
        > It matters because it means the community or another publisher can pick up where the original one left and all the data is still there. How is it in the interest of the game developer to create such an insurance policy, even if it did work that way?
    - robbedpeter 5y ago
      This. It offers a persistence mechanism for game mechanics where decentralization is of value. Ownership and identity can become immutable, no longer subject to the whim of developers and publishers. If modeled off of open source crypticurrencies , you might also have the benefit of rigorous security and testing. Riffing off of smart contracts like ethereum offers, you could incorporate game mechanics into a ledger, assigning the rules, content, and access features to models designed and distributed within a blockchain. Second Life and metaverse type enterprises could benefit, but do could any game with sharding and character persistence. You'd want to incorporate a community sanity check system, to roll back the results of exploits, based on a distributed moderation and management setup that runs on election, delegation, and community consensus. I see this niche as a great playground to experiment with virtual governance, a way to search the space for systems that could enhance real world government.
    - dragonwriter 5y ago
      > Wouldn't it help with the "publisher doesn't want to maintain a server for that old game anymore" situation? Why would as game publisher want to undercut its own planned obsolescence?
      - vladvasiliu 5y ago
        Disclaimer: I don't play a lot of games, and those I do play, I only play the single player campaigns, so I may be completely off and naïve here. But, from what I've seen, there is no fee for online games. Once you buy the game, you can either not play online or play online, for the same price. There is no "cover charge", so to speak, on top of the original game price. The publisher could try to unload the burden of the server maintenance to the players, in some sort of decentralized fashion, since running the server doesn't bring in any new money, but it does have a cost. I'm not sure how the whole "loot boxes" / dlc thing integrates into all this, though I don't see why they wouldn't be able to sell those in a decentralized environment, too.
        Darmody 5y ago
        There are multiple pay to play online games with a monthly fee, especially in the MMORPG sphere. Others sell loot boxes or cosmetic stuff, even games that cost you money both when buying the game and when renewing your monthly subscription. A Blockchain wouldn't give them any benefit over what they already have. In fact they would lose control over some stuff while bot farms and criminals would make a lot of money with almost no oversight.
  - seastonATccs 5y ago
    I think the idea is to be able to trade/sell/buy game assets on 3rd party sites. There becomes a distinction between ownership and control. A person could "sell" ownership of an item though they still control it by offering a contract. This contract would be tied to the life of the item and would be shown to any possible in-game player that wanted to take control of the game asset.
  - jobigoud 5y ago
    The "multiple unrelated games" part. You can have game studios/creators that don't know each other build upon an existing persistent shared world without opening their database/server to the other studios.
    - dragonwriter 5y ago
      > You can have game studios/creators that don't know each other build upon an existing persistent shared world without opening their database/server to the other studios Why would any game developer want to create that opportunity for their competitors?
      - imtringued 5y ago
        The vendor lock in is part of the business strategy after all...
- vintermann 5y ago
  There's no value to a distributed ownership record of things in a game that is centralized anyway. And even in a partly decentralized game where players can run their own servers, there's no way to force the private servers to respect the distributed ownership records.

Virtual land. You could have a persistent game world with ownership rights and then multiple unrelated games using the public information about who owns what. Club membership. Similarly multiple unrelated games could verify that a user is a member of an external organisation to grant certain in-game privileges.

taejo 5y ago
Why do you need distributed consensus to do that, though? What's wrong with a database on a server?
- vladvasiliu 5y ago
  Wouldn't it help with the "publisher doesn't want to maintain a server for that old game anymore" situation?
  - pornel 5y ago
    If you don't have a situation where absolutely nobody can be trusted, then all these things become tractable with the traditional cryptography. In games you can choose to trust a game publisher, a server, or a consensus of a few selected parties. People can prove their identity and ownership of items via a private key. A new server can accept claims signed with a public key of the previous publisher, and you could turn that into a federated system.
  - Darmody 5y ago
    If the publisher shuts the servers down, it doesn't matter if a Blockchain days you're the owner of an item.
    - jobigoud 5y ago
      It matters because it means the community or another publisher can pick up where the original one left and all the data is still there. Or you can build an alternate world and carry users over.
      - Darmody 5y ago
        But again you would have to rely on the publisher. And they can simply create a new Blockchain for the game. In the end there's no difference between that and a traditional db.
      - dragonwriter 5y ago
        > It matters because it means the community or another publisher can pick up where the original one left and all the data is still there. How is it in the interest of the game developer to create such an insurance policy, even if it did work that way?
  - robbedpeter 5y ago
    This. It offers a persistence mechanism for game mechanics where decentralization is of value. Ownership and identity can become immutable, no longer subject to the whim of developers and publishers. If modeled off of open source crypticurrencies , you might also have the benefit of rigorous security and testing. Riffing off of smart contracts like ethereum offers, you could incorporate game mechanics into a ledger, assigning the rules, content, and access features to models designed and distributed within a blockchain. Second Life and metaverse type enterprises could benefit, but do could any game with sharding and character persistence. You'd want to incorporate a community sanity check system, to roll back the results of exploits, based on a distributed moderation and management setup that runs on election, delegation, and community consensus. I see this niche as a great playground to experiment with virtual governance, a way to search the space for systems that could enhance real world government.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > Wouldn't it help with the "publisher doesn't want to maintain a server for that old game anymore" situation? Why would as game publisher want to undercut its own planned obsolescence?
    - vladvasiliu 5y ago
      Disclaimer: I don't play a lot of games, and those I do play, I only play the single player campaigns, so I may be completely off and naïve here. But, from what I've seen, there is no fee for online games. Once you buy the game, you can either not play online or play online, for the same price. There is no "cover charge", so to speak, on top of the original game price. The publisher could try to unload the burden of the server maintenance to the players, in some sort of decentralized fashion, since running the server doesn't bring in any new money, but it does have a cost. I'm not sure how the whole "loot boxes" / dlc thing integrates into all this, though I don't see why they wouldn't be able to sell those in a decentralized environment, too.
      - Darmody 5y ago
        There are multiple pay to play online games with a monthly fee, especially in the MMORPG sphere. Others sell loot boxes or cosmetic stuff, even games that cost you money both when buying the game and when renewing your monthly subscription. A Blockchain wouldn't give them any benefit over what they already have. In fact they would lose control over some stuff while bot farms and criminals would make a lot of money with almost no oversight.
- seastonATccs 5y ago
  I think the idea is to be able to trade/sell/buy game assets on 3rd party sites. There becomes a distinction between ownership and control. A person could "sell" ownership of an item though they still control it by offering a contract. This contract would be tied to the life of the item and would be shown to any possible in-game player that wanted to take control of the game asset.
- jobigoud 5y ago
  The "multiple unrelated games" part. You can have game studios/creators that don't know each other build upon an existing persistent shared world without opening their database/server to the other studios.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > You can have game studios/creators that don't know each other build upon an existing persistent shared world without opening their database/server to the other studios Why would any game developer want to create that opportunity for their competitors?
    - imtringued 5y ago
      The vendor lock in is part of the business strategy after all...
vintermann 5y ago
There's no value to a distributed ownership record of things in a game that is centralized anyway. And even in a partly decentralized game where players can run their own servers, there's no way to force the private servers to respect the distributed ownership records.