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I think it's possible to find an effort both noble and foolish, which is exactly where I am here. I love that they thought they could shift Microsoft in a bette

by jrm4 5y ago

I think it's possible to find an effort both noble and foolish, which is exactly where I am here. I love that they thought they could shift Microsoft in a better direction, and hoped that they could succeed; but nevertheless was nearly 100% sure that it would never really happen.

ethbr0 5y ago
You're nearly 100% certain that enabling Microsoft tech to play well with open source would never happen? ... It's already happened. And it's the only reason Azure isn't already dead, and that Microsoft's market share and stock price haven't cratered.
- jrm4 5y ago
  We are working with very different definitions of "play well with open source;" Mine favors the ideals of free and open source software and doesn't really care much either way what happens to MS.
  - ethbr0 5y ago
    Do you remember Microsoft of the 90s?
    - still_grokking 5y ago
      Sure. Did something substantial change meanwhile?
    - jrm4 5y ago
      I do. That one was much much worse than the one today, I grant you. But also, I've been around long enough to know why; if you think it's because Microsoft "grew a heart" or somesuch nonsense, I bet you also believe that hotels stopped doing small prepackaged bottles of shampoo and cleaning the sheets nightly because they care about the environment. Microsoft warmed to open source because THEY LOST. Their software was so inferior that they were eventually forced to admit it because they would lose money if they didn't. That's all.
      - ethbr0 5y ago
        So, the thing you didn't think was going to happen happened, and you don't care what happens to Microsoft, but you care that the thing happened because Microsoft lost?
        jrm4 5y ago
        eh, I suppose I should have been more clear about "better direction." I meant a "much better direction."
- mkr-hn 5y ago
  Loading up a local instance of a user-friendly CMS to wget mirror for a static site inside an Ubuntu terminal from the Windows store is still a surreal experience.

by jrm4 5y ago

ethbr0 5y ago

You're nearly 100% certain that enabling Microsoft tech to play well with open source would never happen? ... It's already happened. And it's the only reason Azure isn't already dead, and that Microsoft's market share and stock price haven't cratered.

jrm4 5y ago
We are working with very different definitions of "play well with open source;" Mine favors the ideals of free and open source software and doesn't really care much either way what happens to MS.
- ethbr0 5y ago
  Do you remember Microsoft of the 90s?
  - still_grokking 5y ago
    Sure. Did something substantial change meanwhile?
  - jrm4 5y ago
    I do. That one was much much worse than the one today, I grant you. But also, I've been around long enough to know why; if you think it's because Microsoft "grew a heart" or somesuch nonsense, I bet you also believe that hotels stopped doing small prepackaged bottles of shampoo and cleaning the sheets nightly because they care about the environment. Microsoft warmed to open source because THEY LOST. Their software was so inferior that they were eventually forced to admit it because they would lose money if they didn't. That's all.
    - ethbr0 5y ago
      So, the thing you didn't think was going to happen happened, and you don't care what happens to Microsoft, but you care that the thing happened because Microsoft lost?
      - jrm4 5y ago
        eh, I suppose I should have been more clear about "better direction." I meant a "much better direction."
mkr-hn 5y ago
Loading up a local instance of a user-friendly CMS to wget mirror for a static site inside an Ubuntu terminal from the Windows store is still a surreal experience.