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One of the features outlined in the article for this post was for the glasses to remember things that other people said. How would such other people who don't w

One of the features outlined in the article for this post was for the glasses to remember things that other people said. How would such other people who don't want to be recorded for these purposes opt out?

KaiserPro 5y ago
This is a static dataset. You'll want to ask that question about "Project Aria". for example, can FB provide a list of recording locations and times, so I can request my image/audio removed? How good is facebook's anonymisation system? what % of faces can be removed (on average) Has every single piece of footage captured with Aria been anonymised?
- pesenti 5y ago
  From https://about.facebook.com/realitylabs/projectaria/ https://about.facebook.com/realitylabs/projectaria/ "Participants will only record in either Facebook offices (once they reopen), wearers’ private homes (with consent from all members of the household), or public spaces, and won’t record in private venues without written consent from such places. Before any information gathered in a public place is made available to our researchers, it will be automatically scrubbed to blur faces and vehicle license plates." So we anonymize all the content collected in public. I don't have the stats for the face blurring algorithm, and while you can ask for your data to be removed, we don't provide locations/times. These are good suggestions though.
  - still_grokking 5y ago
    > So we anonymize all the content collected in public. I don't have the stats for the face blurring algorithm […] I see some contradiction here. You don't know "the stats for the face blurring algorithm" but you're saying you "anonymize all the content collected"? If the stats don't say it's 100% (which is impossible afaik if done by machines) you obviously don't anonymize upfront all the content collected.
pesenti 5y ago
That’s a good question and I don’t think we have all the answers yet. But I expect that many functionalities will need to request and get consent from 3rd parties.
- picardythird 5y ago
  So, will I have to sign a consent agreement every time I talk to a d*** wearing these glasses? Is this the "irl" equivalent of the cookie consent banner in the web browser? Heaven forbid. I want to be positive about technological advancements but I'm frankly flabbergasted that anyone, including you, thinks this is a good idea for the world. And in my heart of hearts I have to think that your salary and prestige are coming before your integrity and common sense.
- still_grokking 5y ago
  If you can't answer this particular question after you've already advertised that feature there are only two possibilities to explain this knowledge gap: 1. You don't think upfront about the consequences your products have for people's privacy. 2. You don't care about the consequences your products have for people's privacy, and leave the particular details for the lawyers of how such products could still be distributed legally. Which of this explanations should we prefer?
  - pesenti 5y ago
    Which feature are you talking about? This is a research project, not a product. The point of research projects is to investigate and figure out answers we don't have today.
    - still_grokking 5y ago
      > One of the features outlined in the article for this post was for the glasses to remember things that other people said. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28898645 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28898645 So just to be sure: Is this feature one of the goals of this research, yes or no? From the same post: > How would such other people who don't want to be recorded for these purposes opt out? To make the obvious very explicit: The previous question (which you just praised as a "good question") is about this feature. Wasn't this clear to you until now? I'm wondering. This is a simple conversation thread not hard to follow.

KaiserPro 5y ago

This is a static dataset. You'll want to ask that question about "Project Aria". for example, can FB provide a list of recording locations and times, so I can request my image/audio removed? How good is facebook's anonymisation system? what % of faces can be removed (on average) Has every single piece of footage captured with Aria been anonymised?

pesenti 5y ago
From https://about.facebook.com/realitylabs/projectaria/ https://about.facebook.com/realitylabs/projectaria/ "Participants will only record in either Facebook offices (once they reopen), wearers’ private homes (with consent from all members of the household), or public spaces, and won’t record in private venues without written consent from such places. Before any information gathered in a public place is made available to our researchers, it will be automatically scrubbed to blur faces and vehicle license plates." So we anonymize all the content collected in public. I don't have the stats for the face blurring algorithm, and while you can ask for your data to be removed, we don't provide locations/times. These are good suggestions though.
- still_grokking 5y ago
  > So we anonymize all the content collected in public. I don't have the stats for the face blurring algorithm […] I see some contradiction here. You don't know "the stats for the face blurring algorithm" but you're saying you "anonymize all the content collected"? If the stats don't say it's 100% (which is impossible afaik if done by machines) you obviously don't anonymize upfront all the content collected.

pesenti 5y ago

That’s a good question and I don’t think we have all the answers yet. But I expect that many functionalities will need to request and get consent from 3rd parties.

picardythird 5y ago
So, will I have to sign a consent agreement every time I talk to a d*** wearing these glasses? Is this the "irl" equivalent of the cookie consent banner in the web browser? Heaven forbid. I want to be positive about technological advancements but I'm frankly flabbergasted that anyone, including you, thinks this is a good idea for the world. And in my heart of hearts I have to think that your salary and prestige are coming before your integrity and common sense.
still_grokking 5y ago
If you can't answer this particular question after you've already advertised that feature there are only two possibilities to explain this knowledge gap: 1. You don't think upfront about the consequences your products have for people's privacy. 2. You don't care about the consequences your products have for people's privacy, and leave the particular details for the lawyers of how such products could still be distributed legally. Which of this explanations should we prefer?
- pesenti 5y ago
  Which feature are you talking about? This is a research project, not a product. The point of research projects is to investigate and figure out answers we don't have today.
  - still_grokking 5y ago
    > One of the features outlined in the article for this post was for the glasses to remember things that other people said. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28898645 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28898645 So just to be sure: Is this feature one of the goals of this research, yes or no? From the same post: > How would such other people who don't want to be recorded for these purposes opt out? To make the obvious very explicit: The previous question (which you just praised as a "good question") is about this feature. Wasn't this clear to you until now? I'm wondering. This is a simple conversation thread not hard to follow.