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> 1 We have no long term solution for the storage and disposal of enrichment byproducts. There is reprocessing but the results are simply less toxic (eg UF6 ->

> 1 We have no long term solution for the storage and disposal of enrichment byproducts. There is reprocessing but the results are simply less toxic (eg UF6 -> UF4) and are, to date, expensive; We have no long term solution for the storage and disposal of coal mining waste. > 2. We have no long term solution on the storage and disposal of fission waste products; We don't even have a short term solution to the storage and disposal of combustion waste products. > 3. The failure modes are huge. Most notably, the Cheernobyl Absolute Exclusion Zone stands at 1000 square miles 35 years after the fact; and The failure modes of hydrocarbon based power are huge. Most notably cooking the entire planet, which stands at 197,000,000 square miles. > 4. This it he big one for me: I just don't trust governments or corporations to maintain, inspect, manage and operate nuclear power plants at scale. The US government and corporations have managed all of the nuclear reactors in the US so far without any significant failures (3 Mile Island is not significant).

nuerow 5y ago
> The failure modes of hydrocarbon based power are huge. Most notably cooking the entire planet, which stands at 197,000,000 square miles. It's a good thing then that hydrocarbon-based power is being phased out as well. For example, the EU just announced their target to eliminate emissions by 2050. https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/eu-unveils-plan-increase-renewables-share-energy-mix-40-by-2030-2021-07-14/ https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/eu-unveils-plan...
- jabl 5y ago
  Governments around the world are competing in announcing ever more ambitious climate targets. Would be nice if they would also walk the walk.
  - nuerow 5y ago
    > Governments around the world are competing in announcing ever more ambitious climate targets. Would be nice if they would also walk the walk. A few EU member-states already met their targets a few years ago, and are actually ahead of schedule. https://www.climatechangenews.com/2016/07/22/six-eu-countries-have-already-met-their-2030-climate-targets/ https://www.climatechangenews.com/2016/07/22/six-eu-countrie... Every challenge might be different, but there are indeed countries not only walking the walk but doing so at a fast pace.
    - orwin 5y ago
      yeah, if we don't have blackouts this year i'll be pleasently surprised. As this "plans" roll out w/o nuclear, we will become more dependant on gas from Russia. And as the blackouts roll out, we will have a portion of the electorate that will vote to get back to fossil fuels.
      - nuerow 5y ago
        > yeah, if we don't have blackouts this year i'll be pleasently surprised. How does this address GP's statement that governments don't "walk the walk" ? Meanwhile, some member states, like Portugal, already managed to get a few days of the year being 100% self-sufficiency from renewables. https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/portugal-breaks-100-renewables-mark-but-remains-isolated/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/portugal-breaks... What exactly leads you to believe that blackouts are possible or expected?

nuerow 5y ago

> The failure modes of hydrocarbon based power are huge. Most notably cooking the entire planet, which stands at 197,000,000 square miles. It's a good thing then that hydrocarbon-based power is being phased out as well. For example, the EU just announced their target to eliminate emissions by 2050. https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/eu-unveils-plan-increase-renewables-share-energy-mix-40-by-2030-2021-07-14/ https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/eu-unveils-plan...

jabl 5y ago
Governments around the world are competing in announcing ever more ambitious climate targets. Would be nice if they would also walk the walk.
- nuerow 5y ago
  > Governments around the world are competing in announcing ever more ambitious climate targets. Would be nice if they would also walk the walk. A few EU member-states already met their targets a few years ago, and are actually ahead of schedule. https://www.climatechangenews.com/2016/07/22/six-eu-countries-have-already-met-their-2030-climate-targets/ https://www.climatechangenews.com/2016/07/22/six-eu-countrie... Every challenge might be different, but there are indeed countries not only walking the walk but doing so at a fast pace.
  - orwin 5y ago
    yeah, if we don't have blackouts this year i'll be pleasently surprised. As this "plans" roll out w/o nuclear, we will become more dependant on gas from Russia. And as the blackouts roll out, we will have a portion of the electorate that will vote to get back to fossil fuels.
    - nuerow 5y ago
      > yeah, if we don't have blackouts this year i'll be pleasently surprised. How does this address GP's statement that governments don't "walk the walk" ? Meanwhile, some member states, like Portugal, already managed to get a few days of the year being 100% self-sufficiency from renewables. https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/portugal-breaks-100-renewables-mark-but-remains-isolated/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/portugal-breaks... What exactly leads you to believe that blackouts are possible or expected?