We have dedicated QAs and QEs, but they are not there to write tests. It's possible that's what he's driving at as I think the Joel test saw testers as an inte

We have dedicated QAs and QEs, but they are not there to write tests. It's possible that's what he's driving at as I think the Joel test saw testers as an integrated part of the software delivery pipeline. Nowadays, in big tech, they are more there to drive high level tooling and testing culture - engineers are responsible for writing tests. At least that's my experience.