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> when you can negotiate as an individual When can you negotiate as an individual? Is the scenario you have in mind when there is an actual bidding war, when

> when you can negotiate as an individual When can you negotiate as an individual? Is the scenario you have in mind when there is an actual bidding war, when you go into a negotiation of salary with an actual offer from another firm, and neither one is offended enough to eliminate you from consideration? How often does that happen to you and how often do you think it happens in general?

fighterpilot 5y ago
Most of the pay gap between the top and bottom performers isn't much to do with direct negotiation, it's the cumulative effect of star performers being in high demand and therefore getting faster promotions, more and better offers, etc. If they get screwed on a promotion they can get another ten offers and pick the best one. Iterate over twenty years and you have a gigantic gap in comp between the top and bottom within the same industry.
refurb 5y ago
I negotiate every job offer. I also negotiate compensation by getting outside offers and benchmarking my internal pay to that. No bidding war required. And nobody is offended. And it happens pretty often for white collar work in high demand industries.
cercatrova 5y ago
In tech, this happens quite often. People like patio11 will explicitly say that you should always negotiate as it has net positive ROI [0] [1]. Just wondering, do you not negotiate? If so, you might be losing out on many multiples of your current compensation. [0] https://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/ https://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/ [1] https://github.com/vlvagerviwager/salary-negotiation-tech https://github.com/vlvagerviwager/salary-negotiation-tech
lordnacho 5y ago
You can always negotiate, can't you? I except if the job is on a collective bargaining agreement, sure, but your average Dev job is negotiable, no? You don't actually need another job on hand to negotiate terms. It's also up to you what you want to haggle over, money or holiday, on call duties, etc. I think the key is agency. If you have it, you can negotiate. If you're always in a terrible negotiating position like certain blue collar workers, it makes sense to be in a union. Mind you, I'm not sure if would be bad for white collar workers to unionize. Doctors for instance are white collar and have unions.
- perl4ever 5y ago
  >You can always negotiate, can't you? You can always try. If you have always made market rate, then have you ever really negotiated anything? To benefit from negotiation skills, you would have to be making way below market and then somehow convince someone to pay you what others are making. And do it without flat out lying.

fighterpilot 5y ago

Most of the pay gap between the top and bottom performers isn't much to do with direct negotiation, it's the cumulative effect of star performers being in high demand and therefore getting faster promotions, more and better offers, etc. If they get screwed on a promotion they can get another ten offers and pick the best one. Iterate over twenty years and you have a gigantic gap in comp between the top and bottom within the same industry.

refurb 5y ago

I negotiate every job offer. I also negotiate compensation by getting outside offers and benchmarking my internal pay to that. No bidding war required. And nobody is offended. And it happens pretty often for white collar work in high demand industries.

cercatrova 5y ago

In tech, this happens quite often. People like patio11 will explicitly say that you should always negotiate as it has net positive ROI [0] [1]. Just wondering, do you not negotiate? If so, you might be losing out on many multiples of your current compensation. [0] https://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/ https://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/ [1] https://github.com/vlvagerviwager/salary-negotiation-tech https://github.com/vlvagerviwager/salary-negotiation-tech

lordnacho 5y ago

You can always negotiate, can't you? I except if the job is on a collective bargaining agreement, sure, but your average Dev job is negotiable, no? You don't actually need another job on hand to negotiate terms. It's also up to you what you want to haggle over, money or holiday, on call duties, etc. I think the key is agency. If you have it, you can negotiate. If you're always in a terrible negotiating position like certain blue collar workers, it makes sense to be in a union. Mind you, I'm not sure if would be bad for white collar workers to unionize. Doctors for instance are white collar and have unions.

perl4ever 5y ago
>You can always negotiate, can't you? You can always try. If you have always made market rate, then have you ever really negotiated anything? To benefit from negotiation skills, you would have to be making way below market and then somehow convince someone to pay you what others are making. And do it without flat out lying.