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There is information missing here. Why are they leaving? What work are you giving them it takes that long to play even? What kind of juniors are you hiring to b

There is information missing here. Why are they leaving? What work are you giving them it takes that long to play even? What kind of juniors are you hiring to begin with?

mattm 5y ago
FWIW Ive heard the same thing from someone I know who ran a consultancy. He said it was 50/50 of whether a new grad would be up to speed and productive enough after 8 months. Basically the first 8 months the company was likely to lose money on the new hire. Your comment seems to insinuate that the blame falls with the company. There is just a long ramp up that needs to happen with junior hires. There is so much technology and processes to learn about.
- BlargMcLarg 5y ago
  Let me turn it around: in what world would you find it acceptable for a paid professional to take 8 months before they stop being a liability? Especially in today's jobhop heavy environment? Humans learn incredibly fast when motivated, so yes, I am quite skeptical when someone throws such a vague statement as if we should just accept the problems lie with juniors and not any of the many things a company could be doing wrong. In your case, "so much technology and processes", I'm already skeptical an individual needs to know that much to be productive in a junior role, for a few contexts only.
Aeolun 5y ago
Tragedy of the commons? After they’re trained up a new company can afford to give them more money since they don’t have to break even on the training period any more.
_fat_santa 5y ago
> Why are they leaving? Cause all the recruiters start calling. I left my first job after 12 months, BigCorp needed developers and I was offered double then current salary.
isubasinghe 5y ago
I nearly doubled my salary when I jumped ship. Market is quite competitive for decent devs even if they are junior. And junior isn't always a good indicator on programming ability as well, my friend wrote a Pascal compiler in two days for example.

There is information missing here. Why are they leaving? What work are you giving them it takes that long to play even? What kind of juniors are you hiring to begin with?

mattm 5y ago

FWIW Ive heard the same thing from someone I know who ran a consultancy. He said it was 50/50 of whether a new grad would be up to speed and productive enough after 8 months. Basically the first 8 months the company was likely to lose money on the new hire. Your comment seems to insinuate that the blame falls with the company. There is just a long ramp up that needs to happen with junior hires. There is so much technology and processes to learn about.

BlargMcLarg 5y ago
Let me turn it around: in what world would you find it acceptable for a paid professional to take 8 months before they stop being a liability? Especially in today's jobhop heavy environment? Humans learn incredibly fast when motivated, so yes, I am quite skeptical when someone throws such a vague statement as if we should just accept the problems lie with juniors and not any of the many things a company could be doing wrong. In your case, "so much technology and processes", I'm already skeptical an individual needs to know that much to be productive in a junior role, for a few contexts only.

Aeolun 5y ago

Tragedy of the commons? After they’re trained up a new company can afford to give them more money since they don’t have to break even on the training period any more.

_fat_santa 5y ago

> Why are they leaving? Cause all the recruiters start calling. I left my first job after 12 months, BigCorp needed developers and I was offered double then current salary.

isubasinghe 5y ago

I nearly doubled my salary when I jumped ship. Market is quite competitive for decent devs even if they are junior. And junior isn't always a good indicator on programming ability as well, my friend wrote a Pascal compiler in two days for example.