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Interesting to note that someone opened an issue in the linked GitHub repo mentioning that the system doesn't work with iPhone 8 and above: https://github.com/

Interesting to note that someone opened an issue in the linked GitHub repo mentioning that the system doesn't work with iPhone 8 and above: https://github.com/y-x-c/wearable-microphone-jamming/issues/11 https://github.com/y-x-c/wearable-microphone-jamming/issues/... edit: Looks like (from the reply) it's the waterproofing membrane over mic that's rendering the jammer useless.

Semiapies 5y ago
So, if you're recording a cop in the next few years, make sure to use a waterproof phone.
- Fnoord 5y ago
  Police wont't generally use something like this as it would interfere with bodycam which includes a microphone.
  - oreilles 5y ago
    That is unless they use waterproof body cam.
  - ohazi 5y ago
    That would likely be seen as a feature
  - sitic 5y ago
    "Police officers in Beverly Hills have been playing music while being filmed, seemingly in an effort to trigger Instagram’s copyright filters." https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvxb94/is-this-beverly-hills-cop-playing-sublimes-santeria-to-avoid-being-livestreamed https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvxb94/is-this-beverly-hills...
    - dredmorbius 5y ago
      Apparently numerous jurisdictions. Alamdeda County, California: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210911/21360647545/officer-claims-sheriffs-office-told-him-to-play-copyrighted-music-to-shut-down-citizens-recordings.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210911/21360647545/offic... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28546242 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28546242
    - FractalParadigm 5y ago
      What I find ironic, is the police are doing a copyright infringement (unauthorized public performance of these songs) in order to infringe on citizens' rights. Why are record companies not more pissed about this?
      - Tenoke 5y ago
        Because they don't lose money over it the way they do over other types of unauthorized public performances.
        _jal 5y ago
        I think I'd phrase that a bit differently. Extracting cash by threatening mom and pop restaurants for playing the radio is old hat, nobody cares. Threatening cops over it is going to attract attention.
      - jMyles 5y ago
        Does it suggest that system of IP is genuinely designed and deployed to protect art? Or capricious exercise of state power?
        randombits0 5y ago
        I will double down with, no, the system of IP is not intended to protect art. The whole concept of IP is antithetical to the intent of copyright. “Article I, Section 8, Clause 8, of the United States Constitution grants Congress the enumerated power "To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries."” https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/intellectual_property_clause https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/intellectual_property_clause
      - concordDance 5y ago
        It's not performance as there's the lack of intent to have others hear it and few will. You can play music for yourself in public even if others overhear.
    - hulitu 5y ago
      In many countries this is unauthorised broadcasting.
    - dylan604 5y ago
      The cops are not trying to post their footage to the socials. They want you to not be able to do it. If they need their footage, it's to prove you were being an asshat and deserved whatever happened to you. If you need their footage, it'll mysteriously not be available for some technical or clerical error.
      - Fnoord 5y ago
        Its to provide a PoV from the police officer, yes. Because the PoV of the other side (whatever it might be) may omit details, or could've been tampered with. You're right that it is in the interest of the police (in general, not necessarily the police officer), but if details like sound are not available that only hurts their case.
        joshstrange 5y ago
        > if details like sound are not available that only hurts their case. Unless the cop is saying things they shouldn't be saying. I think you are missing the point of the comment you are replying to. They are saying that cops only use that footage when it benefits them (that's assuming the footage exists and they didn't "forget to turn on their camera") and when it doesn't benefit them then they won't release it or the footage might get "lost". Also the police have been known to edit or post misleading footage to their own gain.
        Fnoord 5y ago
        'Their own gain', the police work for the public interest. If that isn't the case, something is wrong with your police force. I get such point is popular with people who are cynical to authorities, and I get that in the context of racism in USA. Here in The Netherlands they are always recording, and when the cop pushes it on, it saves the last minute before the cop pushed the button as well, for context. The police are not allowed to tamper with evidence in a court of law. Nowhere in the world is this allowed.
        joshstrange 5y ago
    - garyfirestorm 5y ago
      Why can’t instagram distinguish between a public performance vs a cop playing music. Should be pretty easy to do.
      - pbhjpbhj 5y ago
        The challenge is determining between music playing in the background of a real-life arrest, vs the same for a fictional arrest where they would want to claim copyright usage fees. That's a hard job for most people, nevermind an automated system where the copyright holder doesn't care about false positives.
      - spicybright 5y ago
        Doubt it. Copyright violation detected is fully automated for the most part, and very good at detection regardless of background noise. You would need a human viewing footage and listening for every single post to determine this.
  - malka 5y ago
    That is exactly why they would use something like this.
  - worik 5y ago
    How sweet!
  - alpaca128 5y ago
    > it would interfere with bodycam which includes a microphone. That's the point. Many cops do not like the fact that the bodycam also records them to a degree. At least the ones getting caught planting drugs in stopped cars or mistreating people because they forgot about the cam.
- Zenst 5y ago
  You may find a small bit of capstan tape over the mic will, whilst reduce the mic's sensitivity a little - equally achieve the same results against this.
  - triactual 5y ago
    *Kapton tape, presumably. A capstan is an interesting thing though: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capstan_(nautical) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capstan_(nautical)
    - zoomablemind 5y ago
      Slightly more recent reference to capstan use is in the context of cassette players/recorders. Same idea, a driven ridged head pulling the tape [1]. [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tape_transport#Capstan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tape_transport#Capstan
    - Zenst 5y ago
      yes, thank you for clarifying and dispelling the confusion my spelling opps did there.
- justshowpost 5y ago
  Maybe just don't commit street crimes.
  - fidesomnes 5y ago
    This is very problematic to our democracy comrade, and borderline racist.
Zenst 5y ago
That may well be fixable, case of what is the resonant frequency of the water protection an tuning this to induce resonance to overload the sensor - may well work. Though inducing resonance in the glass screen may well achieve the results. I'd also be interested in testing this with contact mics as from my experiences - this may not work upon those at all.

Semiapies 5y ago

So, if you're recording a cop in the next few years, make sure to use a waterproof phone.

Fnoord 5y ago
Police wont't generally use something like this as it would interfere with bodycam which includes a microphone.
- oreilles 5y ago
  That is unless they use waterproof body cam.
- ohazi 5y ago
  That would likely be seen as a feature
- sitic 5y ago
  "Police officers in Beverly Hills have been playing music while being filmed, seemingly in an effort to trigger Instagram’s copyright filters." https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvxb94/is-this-beverly-hills-cop-playing-sublimes-santeria-to-avoid-being-livestreamed https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvxb94/is-this-beverly-hills...
  - dredmorbius 5y ago
    Apparently numerous jurisdictions. Alamdeda County, California: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210911/21360647545/officer-claims-sheriffs-office-told-him-to-play-copyrighted-music-to-shut-down-citizens-recordings.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210911/21360647545/offic... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28546242 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28546242
  - FractalParadigm 5y ago
    What I find ironic, is the police are doing a copyright infringement (unauthorized public performance of these songs) in order to infringe on citizens' rights. Why are record companies not more pissed about this?
    - Tenoke 5y ago
      Because they don't lose money over it the way they do over other types of unauthorized public performances.
      - _jal 5y ago
        I think I'd phrase that a bit differently. Extracting cash by threatening mom and pop restaurants for playing the radio is old hat, nobody cares. Threatening cops over it is going to attract attention.
    - jMyles 5y ago
      Does it suggest that system of IP is genuinely designed and deployed to protect art? Or capricious exercise of state power?
      - randombits0 5y ago
        I will double down with, no, the system of IP is not intended to protect art. The whole concept of IP is antithetical to the intent of copyright. “Article I, Section 8, Clause 8, of the United States Constitution grants Congress the enumerated power "To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries."” https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/intellectual_property_clause https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/intellectual_property_clause
    - concordDance 5y ago
      It's not performance as there's the lack of intent to have others hear it and few will. You can play music for yourself in public even if others overhear.
  - hulitu 5y ago
    In many countries this is unauthorised broadcasting.
  - dylan604 5y ago
    The cops are not trying to post their footage to the socials. They want you to not be able to do it. If they need their footage, it's to prove you were being an asshat and deserved whatever happened to you. If you need their footage, it'll mysteriously not be available for some technical or clerical error.
    - Fnoord 5y ago
      Its to provide a PoV from the police officer, yes. Because the PoV of the other side (whatever it might be) may omit details, or could've been tampered with. You're right that it is in the interest of the police (in general, not necessarily the police officer), but if details like sound are not available that only hurts their case.
      - joshstrange 5y ago
        > if details like sound are not available that only hurts their case. Unless the cop is saying things they shouldn't be saying. I think you are missing the point of the comment you are replying to. They are saying that cops only use that footage when it benefits them (that's assuming the footage exists and they didn't "forget to turn on their camera") and when it doesn't benefit them then they won't release it or the footage might get "lost". Also the police have been known to edit or post misleading footage to their own gain.
        Fnoord 5y ago
        'Their own gain', the police work for the public interest. If that isn't the case, something is wrong with your police force. I get such point is popular with people who are cynical to authorities, and I get that in the context of racism in USA. Here in The Netherlands they are always recording, and when the cop pushes it on, it saves the last minute before the cop pushed the button as well, for context. The police are not allowed to tamper with evidence in a court of law. Nowhere in the world is this allowed.
        joshstrange 5y ago
  - garyfirestorm 5y ago
    Why can’t instagram distinguish between a public performance vs a cop playing music. Should be pretty easy to do.
    - pbhjpbhj 5y ago
      The challenge is determining between music playing in the background of a real-life arrest, vs the same for a fictional arrest where they would want to claim copyright usage fees. That's a hard job for most people, nevermind an automated system where the copyright holder doesn't care about false positives.
    - spicybright 5y ago
      Doubt it. Copyright violation detected is fully automated for the most part, and very good at detection regardless of background noise. You would need a human viewing footage and listening for every single post to determine this.
- malka 5y ago
  That is exactly why they would use something like this.
- worik 5y ago
  How sweet!
- alpaca128 5y ago
  > it would interfere with bodycam which includes a microphone. That's the point. Many cops do not like the fact that the bodycam also records them to a degree. At least the ones getting caught planting drugs in stopped cars or mistreating people because they forgot about the cam.
Zenst 5y ago
You may find a small bit of capstan tape over the mic will, whilst reduce the mic's sensitivity a little - equally achieve the same results against this.
- triactual 5y ago
  *Kapton tape, presumably. A capstan is an interesting thing though: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capstan_(nautical) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capstan_(nautical)
  - zoomablemind 5y ago
    Slightly more recent reference to capstan use is in the context of cassette players/recorders. Same idea, a driven ridged head pulling the tape [1]. [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tape_transport#Capstan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tape_transport#Capstan
  - Zenst 5y ago
    yes, thank you for clarifying and dispelling the confusion my spelling opps did there.
justshowpost 5y ago
Maybe just don't commit street crimes.
- fidesomnes 5y ago
  This is very problematic to our democracy comrade, and borderline racist.

Zenst 5y ago

That may well be fixable, case of what is the resonant frequency of the water protection an tuning this to induce resonance to overload the sensor - may well work. Though inducing resonance in the glass screen may well achieve the results. I'd also be interested in testing this with contact mics as from my experiences - this may not work upon those at all.