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Here are some things that I thought that at the time were called "misinformation", "conspiracy theories", and had "no data to support that claim": Jan. 2020 -

Here are some things that I thought that at the time were called "misinformation", "conspiracy theories", and had "no data to support that claim": Jan. 2020 - The illness in China is much worse than the Chinese are letting on - The Chinese government is disappearing whistleblowers Feb. 2020 - The illness in China will become a global pandemic - The only way to stop the pandemic is to act immediately and enforce full international travel bans, inter-state lockdowns, and invest heavily in virus testing - COVID-19 is far worse than the flu - The illness is already in the US even though there aren't confirmed cases yet Mar. 2020 - People need to withdraw from public life if they can Apr. 2020 - There is a significant chance that the virus was partially studied or modified in a Wuhan laboratory Mar. 2021 - The vaccines clearly lead to side effects in certain cases, including neural effects, heart problems, and interactions with the reproductive system EVERY single time I told people who "trust the science" and "believe the experts" about these topics, it was before any mainstream government or media sources had caught on to these ideas. These ideas, now common knowledge, were derided as misinformation and anyone who believed them were mocked as ignorant at best and deliberately fear-spreading at worst. I am not fully anti-vaccine; I had the first dose of Pfizer and later had my spike antibodies tested. I haven't had any positive COVID-19 tests because I locked down until eventually taking the vaccine. I don't care about the idiots you know, I care that the scientific and political institutions in control of this country are attention-seeking frauds that never take responsibility for making incorrect predictions.

dragontamer 5y ago
> EVERY single time I told people who "trust the science" and "believe the experts" about these topics, it was before any mainstream government or media sources had caught on to these ideas. Yeah. Except we know why that happened: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-told-bob-woodward-he-knew-february-covid-19-was-n1239658 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-told-bob... This is the hydroxychloroquine dude. This is the political group that has gone towards ivermectin. This political group is __STILL__ making false and misleading claims on a mass scale today. > I care that the scientific and political institutions in control of this country are attention-seeking frauds that never take responsibility for making incorrect predictions. Why don't you dig a little deeper? Figure out the forces that caused the problem and blame them a little bit more? Playing down the virus was Trumps reelection plan, and provably so. This coincides with all the other misinformation (hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, and anti-vax attitudes) going on today. ------- Look, its cute that you're making issues about what people knew or didn't know in January / February 2020. But I have coworkers who refuse to mask up _TODAY_ and I know people who think that there's a "vaccine timebomb" where everyone will get cancer in like 3 or 4 years because they took the vaccine. I can also point you out to some pretty abhorrent misinformation going on in July 2020, months after your dates: https://twitter.com/BadCOVID19Takes/status/1330666281348030467 https://twitter.com/BadCOVID19Takes/status/13306662813480304... This misinformation crap is happening right now, today, still going on. And I'm a little bit tired of it.
- quacked 5y ago
  You have entirely missed my point. The question you are trying to ask is "why do my coworkers listen to the GOP establishment (who are telling lies), instead of Democratic leadership and the scientific establishment (who are telling the truth)"? I am trying to answer you: "because Democratic leadership and the scientific establishment are dishonest, partisan, and incompetent". Do not accuse me of supporting Trump or the GOP; I believe that anyone who chooses to represent the GOP is a coward and a fool, and that nothing the GOP has done or said in the past three decades has had a positive effect on this country. One would think that I am in the exact correct mindset to believe "the good authorities", the same ones that you believe, and yet I do not. I again point to the line from the original article: > Relentless propaganda against public health measures no doubt contributes to erosion of trust. However, that mistrust may also be fueled by the sorry state of health insurance in this country and the deep inequities in health care — at a minimum, this could make people more vulnerable to misinformation. Whoever authored that line holds a deep faith in the scientific and Democratic establishment. They would never label anything their preferred authorities said as "misinformation", even their authorities spread information that was incorrect and stopped people from making good decisions, which they did. That they would ever question their own faith in those establishments is unthinkable. I would bet $50 that whoever wrote that line believed that the anti-masking protests of 2020 were dangerous COVID-spreading opportunities, but supported the George Floyd protests of 2020 as a matter of social necessity without bringing up COVID spreading once. Supporters of the GOP like your coworkers may be blind to the logical failings and dishonesty of their own preferred authorities, but they are not blind to the logical failings and dishonesty of your preferred authorities. That is why they do not believe your authorities. The propaganda and misinformation spread by the GOP that you linked is an excuse for conservatives to revolt against the scientific establishment, as they already wanted to do, not the cause of their revolt. If GOP leadership fell in line with the scientific establishment and started spreading pro-vaccine, pro-mask, anti-COVID information, their supporters would abandon them. Didn't you hear the protestors on January 6th chanting "Hang Mike Pence"? Are you so blind to the nature of the standard American conservative that you believe that they only take orders from their leaders, and that changing what their leaders are saying would bring them back into heel? As I explained earlier, your preferred authorities are incapable of believing themselves at fault for anything, or admitting that they were wrong. They broke public trust by their incompetence and dishonesty, and they will never regain it. Have you seen the videos of Democratic politicians, who faithfully follow the "COVID guidelines" and spread pro-vaccine and pro-mask information, interacting unmasked off-camera and then putting their masks on when the news broadcast starts rolling? Did you see Nancy Pelosi get her hair cut and hold dinner parties while at the same time advocating for stricter anti-COVID measures, and make extremely successful stock trades through her husband as the economy began to crash and recover? The "good guys" aren't real. That's why I commented.

dragontamer 5y ago

> EVERY single time I told people who "trust the science" and "believe the experts" about these topics, it was before any mainstream government or media sources had caught on to these ideas. Yeah. Except we know why that happened: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-told-bob-woodward-he-knew-february-covid-19-was-n1239658 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-told-bob... This is the hydroxychloroquine dude. This is the political group that has gone towards ivermectin. This political group is __STILL__ making false and misleading claims on a mass scale today. > I care that the scientific and political institutions in control of this country are attention-seeking frauds that never take responsibility for making incorrect predictions. Why don't you dig a little deeper? Figure out the forces that caused the problem and blame them a little bit more? Playing down the virus was Trumps reelection plan, and provably so. This coincides with all the other misinformation (hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, and anti-vax attitudes) going on today. ------- Look, its cute that you're making issues about what people knew or didn't know in January / February 2020. But I have coworkers who refuse to mask up _TODAY_ and I know people who think that there's a "vaccine timebomb" where everyone will get cancer in like 3 or 4 years because they took the vaccine. I can also point you out to some pretty abhorrent misinformation going on in July 2020, months after your dates: https://twitter.com/BadCOVID19Takes/status/1330666281348030467 https://twitter.com/BadCOVID19Takes/status/13306662813480304... This misinformation crap is happening right now, today, still going on. And I'm a little bit tired of it.

quacked 5y ago
You have entirely missed my point. The question you are trying to ask is "why do my coworkers listen to the GOP establishment (who are telling lies), instead of Democratic leadership and the scientific establishment (who are telling the truth)"? I am trying to answer you: "because Democratic leadership and the scientific establishment are dishonest, partisan, and incompetent". Do not accuse me of supporting Trump or the GOP; I believe that anyone who chooses to represent the GOP is a coward and a fool, and that nothing the GOP has done or said in the past three decades has had a positive effect on this country. One would think that I am in the exact correct mindset to believe "the good authorities", the same ones that you believe, and yet I do not. I again point to the line from the original article: > Relentless propaganda against public health measures no doubt contributes to erosion of trust. However, that mistrust may also be fueled by the sorry state of health insurance in this country and the deep inequities in health care — at a minimum, this could make people more vulnerable to misinformation. Whoever authored that line holds a deep faith in the scientific and Democratic establishment. They would never label anything their preferred authorities said as "misinformation", even their authorities spread information that was incorrect and stopped people from making good decisions, which they did. That they would ever question their own faith in those establishments is unthinkable. I would bet $50 that whoever wrote that line believed that the anti-masking protests of 2020 were dangerous COVID-spreading opportunities, but supported the George Floyd protests of 2020 as a matter of social necessity without bringing up COVID spreading once. Supporters of the GOP like your coworkers may be blind to the logical failings and dishonesty of their own preferred authorities, but they are not blind to the logical failings and dishonesty of your preferred authorities. That is why they do not believe your authorities. The propaganda and misinformation spread by the GOP that you linked is an excuse for conservatives to revolt against the scientific establishment, as they already wanted to do, not the cause of their revolt. If GOP leadership fell in line with the scientific establishment and started spreading pro-vaccine, pro-mask, anti-COVID information, their supporters would abandon them. Didn't you hear the protestors on January 6th chanting "Hang Mike Pence"? Are you so blind to the nature of the standard American conservative that you believe that they only take orders from their leaders, and that changing what their leaders are saying would bring them back into heel? As I explained earlier, your preferred authorities are incapable of believing themselves at fault for anything, or admitting that they were wrong. They broke public trust by their incompetence and dishonesty, and they will never regain it. Have you seen the videos of Democratic politicians, who faithfully follow the "COVID guidelines" and spread pro-vaccine and pro-mask information, interacting unmasked off-camera and then putting their masks on when the news broadcast starts rolling? Did you see Nancy Pelosi get her hair cut and hold dinner parties while at the same time advocating for stricter anti-COVID measures, and make extremely successful stock trades through her husband as the economy began to crash and recover? The "good guys" aren't real. That's why I commented.