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This sort of thing is absolutely worth discussing, but I'm always skeptical of it being engaged in good faith. The big red flag for me here is that the word "l

This sort of thing is absolutely worth discussing, but I'm always skeptical of it being engaged in good faith. The big red flag for me here is that the word "lockdown" is used to cover the entire year. Most states had brief lockdowns, and ultimately there were a lot of different levels of locking down that were implemented at different times. FEE isn't doing the work to prove that stay-at-home orders directly contributed to overdose fatalities. I mean, we have a few hundred thousand deaths in that time, right? What if someone overdoses because they lost someone? Also, one thing the pandemic has taught me is that if you see something like "record-breaking", it's imperative to dig into the numbers. If they give you raw numbers, ask for percents, and vice versa. So if you use the numbers they give, we're looking at 22,000 more deaths than the previous year. What is the context for this? Were overdose deaths trending up or down before 2020? Furthermore, though I'm not really a fan of this kind of logic, if the United States had taken zero action to try and slow the spread of the virus, would there have been at least 22,000 more deaths? I dunno. There are interesting questions to be asked and answered here, and I hope that people continue to explore it all. It's just that this article acts like it's conclusively answering questions, but it's not.

mberning 5y ago
Speaking of good faith, I think it’s a bit disingenuous to claim that lockdowns and similar actions did not have a significant impact for a year or more. Even if people were not under a strict lockdown mandated by law, many were impacted by work reduction, job loss, etc.
- Brendinooo 5y ago
  > to claim that lockdowns and similar actions did not have a significant impact for a year or more I'm not claiming this. I'm trying to point out that "lockdown" evokes particular policies and imagery while acting rhetorically as an amorphous catch-all. What is a lockdown? Is it "restriction of movement", "any policy that attempts to slow the spread of Covid", or something in between? I mean, I don't think Iowa ever implemented a stay-at-home type of policy. But based on that primary source linked in another comment, they had an increase in overdoses. Does FEE engage with that at all? Furthermore, there was an unknown deadly virus in our midst. If the government had taken no action at all, do you really think that there would have been no disruption, no job loss, no increase in overdose deaths?
tablespoon 5y ago
> This sort of thing is absolutely worth discussing, but I'm always skeptical of it being engaged in good faith. > The big red flag for me here is that the word "lockdown" is used to cover the entire year. Most states had brief lockdowns, and ultimately there were a lot of different levels of locking down that were implemented at different times. FEE isn't doing the work to prove that stay-at-home orders directly contributed to overdose fatalities. It's been my impression that most of the people who loudly oppose lockdowns do so for dogmatic ideological reasons, but dress that up with a potpourri of whatever negative factoids they can manage to collect. Foundation for Economic Education exists to promote a rather extreme ideology, and I find it very difficult to believe they'd bemoan overdose deaths that trace to that ideology (e.g. their favored free trade policies rapidly hollowing out manufacturing towns leading to hopelessness and drug use), so it's very likely they're engaging in bad faith here.
orwin 5y ago
I have a cousin who worked at Colmar's hospital, the first area really, really impacted in France. They had to transport people across France and sometimes across Europe(thx to Switzerland and Germany). His wife works in the addictology dpt. The first beds that were sacrificed for covid patient were hers. The lockdowns made it worse. As addicts were considered not real emergencies, they stopped calling ex-patients, put all nurses in standby and repurposed the medical personnel of her department. During the summer, she told us that covid death were not only caused by covid, but by the political choices we made. It was a choice tu use bed from her department first. Addicts were sacrificed

mberning 5y ago

Speaking of good faith, I think it’s a bit disingenuous to claim that lockdowns and similar actions did not have a significant impact for a year or more. Even if people were not under a strict lockdown mandated by law, many were impacted by work reduction, job loss, etc.

Brendinooo 5y ago
> to claim that lockdowns and similar actions did not have a significant impact for a year or more I'm not claiming this. I'm trying to point out that "lockdown" evokes particular policies and imagery while acting rhetorically as an amorphous catch-all. What is a lockdown? Is it "restriction of movement", "any policy that attempts to slow the spread of Covid", or something in between? I mean, I don't think Iowa ever implemented a stay-at-home type of policy. But based on that primary source linked in another comment, they had an increase in overdoses. Does FEE engage with that at all? Furthermore, there was an unknown deadly virus in our midst. If the government had taken no action at all, do you really think that there would have been no disruption, no job loss, no increase in overdose deaths?

tablespoon 5y ago

> This sort of thing is absolutely worth discussing, but I'm always skeptical of it being engaged in good faith. > The big red flag for me here is that the word "lockdown" is used to cover the entire year. Most states had brief lockdowns, and ultimately there were a lot of different levels of locking down that were implemented at different times. FEE isn't doing the work to prove that stay-at-home orders directly contributed to overdose fatalities. It's been my impression that most of the people who loudly oppose lockdowns do so for dogmatic ideological reasons, but dress that up with a potpourri of whatever negative factoids they can manage to collect. Foundation for Economic Education exists to promote a rather extreme ideology, and I find it very difficult to believe they'd bemoan overdose deaths that trace to that ideology (e.g. their favored free trade policies rapidly hollowing out manufacturing towns leading to hopelessness and drug use), so it's very likely they're engaging in bad faith here.

orwin 5y ago

I have a cousin who worked at Colmar's hospital, the first area really, really impacted in France. They had to transport people across France and sometimes across Europe(thx to Switzerland and Germany). His wife works in the addictology dpt. The first beds that were sacrificed for covid patient were hers. The lockdowns made it worse. As addicts were considered not real emergencies, they stopped calling ex-patients, put all nurses in standby and repurposed the medical personnel of her department. During the summer, she told us that covid death were not only caused by covid, but by the political choices we made. It was a choice tu use bed from her department first. Addicts were sacrificed