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It is much harder to productify infrastructure improvements across the nation, meanwhile this drone can be sold in the thousands to retail operators and the lik

It is much harder to productify infrastructure improvements across the nation, meanwhile this drone can be sold in the thousands to retail operators and the likes (so the makers can get rich).

rad_gruchalski 5y ago
In Germany? These will hit the same problems as improving existing infrastructure. Want to pull fibre under the road? 18 months planning permissions. Dig ditches in rural areas? Well, some of the locals don’t like the noise or mud on the road, tough luck. They object and the whole process extends by months. Want to replace the roof? Better make sure you don’t make it higher than what local code allows! And use the same colour for the tiles… New road? 2 years. Improving drainage? 2 years. Everyone has something to say, everyone can object and block the nice things for everybody else. These will hit the same issues. People will complain about noise or just simply drones flying above. Soon it will turn out they can’t fly here, or there, or from there, or to there.
- Aeolun 5y ago
  Is the US alternative, where people simply have no voice at all, better?
  - jcims 5y ago
    If the folks in the US had no voice, ‘NIMBY’ wouldn’t be a term we’re all familiar with.
  - phreeza 5y ago
    Do they not? I thought California high speed rail was impeded by NIMBYs for example?
- nuerow 5y ago
  > In Germany? These will hit the same problems as improving existing infrastructure.* Germany already has outstanding roadway and railway infrastructure. DB, the parent company of DB Schenker, operates their ICEs in Germany and across Europe as well, and the only reason they can go at speeds up to 300km/h is the fact that they did all the right things putting together their highspeed rail network. I suggest you take a look to the amount of work, both technical and political, that is required to get a single railway line out of the paper and into the real world. This is something that in some cases requires even diplomatic work.
  - rad_gruchalski 5y ago
    Germany has Autobahn, plenty of good roads and yes, some railway lines are fairly decent. Stuttgart to Munich or Düsseldorf north comes to mind. But outside of main corridors, it ain’t that nice everywhere. An example is the A1 Autobahn through Eifel which would help offloading A61 (which is a mess already as it is).
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
  But we have the best Gartenzwergs! https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/281462627714-0-1/s-l1000.jpg https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/281462627714-0-1/s-l1000.jpg
- rawbot 5y ago
  > Dig ditches in rural areas? Well, some of the locals don’t like the noise or mud on the road, tough luck. The problem here in Germany is that they take an absurd amount of time for ANY road work. I've seen roads blocked for years, just to widen the sidewalk. In other countries I've lived in, these get done ASAP.

It is much harder to productify infrastructure improvements across the nation, meanwhile this drone can be sold in the thousands to retail operators and the likes (so the makers can get rich).

rad_gruchalski 5y ago

In Germany? These will hit the same problems as improving existing infrastructure. Want to pull fibre under the road? 18 months planning permissions. Dig ditches in rural areas? Well, some of the locals don’t like the noise or mud on the road, tough luck. They object and the whole process extends by months. Want to replace the roof? Better make sure you don’t make it higher than what local code allows! And use the same colour for the tiles… New road? 2 years. Improving drainage? 2 years. Everyone has something to say, everyone can object and block the nice things for everybody else. These will hit the same issues. People will complain about noise or just simply drones flying above. Soon it will turn out they can’t fly here, or there, or from there, or to there.

Aeolun 5y ago
Is the US alternative, where people simply have no voice at all, better?
- jcims 5y ago
  If the folks in the US had no voice, ‘NIMBY’ wouldn’t be a term we’re all familiar with.
- phreeza 5y ago
  Do they not? I thought California high speed rail was impeded by NIMBYs for example?
nuerow 5y ago
> In Germany? These will hit the same problems as improving existing infrastructure.* Germany already has outstanding roadway and railway infrastructure. DB, the parent company of DB Schenker, operates their ICEs in Germany and across Europe as well, and the only reason they can go at speeds up to 300km/h is the fact that they did all the right things putting together their highspeed rail network. I suggest you take a look to the amount of work, both technical and political, that is required to get a single railway line out of the paper and into the real world. This is something that in some cases requires even diplomatic work.
- rad_gruchalski 5y ago
  Germany has Autobahn, plenty of good roads and yes, some railway lines are fairly decent. Stuttgart to Munich or Düsseldorf north comes to mind. But outside of main corridors, it ain’t that nice everywhere. An example is the A1 Autobahn through Eifel which would help offloading A61 (which is a mess already as it is).
LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
But we have the best Gartenzwergs! https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/281462627714-0-1/s-l1000.jpg https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/281462627714-0-1/s-l1000.jpg
rawbot 5y ago
> Dig ditches in rural areas? Well, some of the locals don’t like the noise or mud on the road, tough luck. The problem here in Germany is that they take an absurd amount of time for ANY road work. I've seen roads blocked for years, just to widen the sidewalk. In other countries I've lived in, these get done ASAP.