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Your options for being able to exit Canada now are severely restricted if you are unvaccinated, particularly if you cannot enter the US. It appears you will nee
by gfodor 5y ago
Your options for being able to exit Canada now are severely restricted if you are unvaccinated, particularly if you cannot enter the US. It appears you will need to charter a private plane or ship to emigrate. I suspect the right to emigrate (a human right according to the UN) will be further restricted by authoritarian regimes around the world such as the one running Canada.
- Scoundreller 5y ago> Workers and passengers age 12 and older on trains, planes and marine transport operating domestically - which are federally regulated - must show they have been inoculated by Oct. 30. International flights are still a free-for-all.
- gfodor 5y agoAh this is good. Hope it stays that way. Thank you for sharing. I’m also glad if seeing this fact helps people form opinions how they would feel if it weren’t the case.
- maxerickson 5y agoYou generally have to have a passport and entry visa (or equivalent) to fly internationally. The baseline is not a 'free for all'. ~100 years after arbitrary requirements are imposed on international travel, people freak out about one that is a direct response to exigent circumstances and not likely to be permanent.
- gfodor 5y agoIt’s about the right to exit. A situation where people sit by while basic rights are eroded for others is most likely to happen when there is a rationalization for reasonable people to support it. See also: the NSA mass surveillance program after 9/11.
- maxerickson 5y agoWhat 'right to exit'? I guess you are probably free to walk into an ocean regardless of vaccination status, I'm not sure what other situation post implementation of the international passport system would reasonably be described by a 'right to exit'.
- gfodor 5y agoGiven how common it is for countries with oppressive regimes to bar or heavily restrict exit, it is noted in article 13 here: https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma... The point is if another destination would have you, it is a violation of your right to be unable to freely exit. If hypothetically Canada did not allow you to board a non-chartered plane to emigrate I would argue this would be encroaching if not outright violating this right.
- oblio 5y agoYou must not know what real authoritarian regimes are like, Hyperbole Person.
- gfodor 5y agoI do. They often start by restricting the right to exit and assembly of stereotyped groups.
- woodruffw 5y ago"Oppressed" is usually the operative word, which anti-vaxxers are decidedly not. Substituting "stereotyped" shows your hand a little.
- gfodor 5y agoSearch for “unvaccinated vs vaccinated cartoon” on google images and have a look. Remind you of anything?
- woodruffw 5y ago> Remind you of anything? Sloppy metaphor? Seriously: what am I supposed to glean here?
- gfodor 5y agoThat stereotyping and scapegoating of the unvaccinated is occurring and is animating the support of increasingly oppressive policies against them. Many of whom have natural immunity and pose less risk than those vaccinated in early 2021.
- woodruffw 5y ago> That stereotyping and scapegoating of the unvaccinated is occurring and is animating the support of increasingly oppressive policies against them. There is nothing oppressive about universal, free access to a safe vaccine. Seriously: have some perspective.
- woodruffw 5y agoYour right to emigrate is not meaningfully impaired, for the same reason that it isn't meaningfully impaired by the requirement that you wear shoes at the airport.
- gfodor 5y agoInteresting claim that a requirement to take a drug is the same burden as wearing shoes. The world has gotten very strange.
- woodruffw 5y ago> Interesting claim that a requirement to take a drug is the same burden as wearing shoes. Because it is. Vaccine mandates were already present every US state and, because Canada is our hat, probably there as well.
- gfodor 5y agoCitation needed that you need a vaccine to get on a train in the US.
- woodruffw 5y agoYou don't. You just need one to go to daycare, public school, or college.
- chana_masala 5y agoAll of those places have previously allowed medical, religious and philosophical exemptions
- woodruffw 5y ago> All of those places have previously allowed medical, religious and philosophical exemptions Medical, yes. Religious and philosophical? Broadly, no[1]. [1]: https://www.cdc.gov/phlp/publications/topic/vaccinations.html https://www.cdc.gov/phlp/publications/topic/vaccinations.htm...