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The Quest is standalone giving it the lowest barrier to entry even without the current PC market being terrible.

LegitShady 5y ago
standalone VR is pretty garbage running off a phone graphics card. The quest is only interesting where you connect to PCVR, and then its not standalone.
- BoorishBears 5y ago
  When the average person's personal computing device is barely stronger than that phone graphics card it's pretty good.
- LegitShady 5y ago
  > When the average person's personal computing device is barely stronger than that phone graphics card it's pretty good. That's ok if you aren't strapping two screens on your face and trying to get the to run as high a refresh rate as you can go. As someone who bought into the new VR revival right away and followed the development of the initial headsets as closely as someone outside the companies developing them could, and has owned and currently owns multiple headsets, I can tell you my experience with VR is performance is very key, and that standalone VR is pretty garbage.
  - goatlover 5y ago
    The standalone is pretty damn impressive for your average user at that price, though. And that's what matters for capturing the market.
    - esyir 5y ago
      Speaking as a guy with a full fledged gaming PC and a quest/quest2, the quest was the device that really sold VR for me. PCVR is nice, but has it's limitations. Location is a big one. my desktop is located in an area with no space. Being able to go to a different room with my quest and just play drastically reduces the friction of the reality-VR transition. You of course get different annoyances like fidelity/battery, but the freedom of truly wireless VR is a massive bonus.
      - goatlover 5y ago
        Agreed, I put it in my backpack and bike or walk to small gym nobody is currently using and have the maximum space without worrying about running into anything.
  - lquist 5y ago
    What setup do you recommend currently?
  - seanmcdirmid 5y ago
    Standalone is great, especially for fitness application. I can't imagine ever using a wired setup, but I get your use cases might be different.
  - fomine3 5y ago
    "garbage" vs nothing, "garbage" wins.
    - LegitShady 5y ago
      not true - I'd rather skip a meal than eat garbage.
- cortesoft 5y ago
  Have you used the Quest 2? I've owned the original rift dev kit, a vive, a vive pro, and a quest 2.... the stand alone quest 2 experience is actually pretty amazing. I was skeptical, too, but it is quite impressive.
  - lostgame 5y ago
    Current owner and I agree. It’s an incredibly quality experience compared to, E.G., the Vive, even!
    - LegitShady 5y ago
      It was released 4 years after the vive - I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
      - Kiro 5y ago
        We're all asking you the same thing.
        LegitShady 5y ago
        I never compared the quest to a device released 4 years before it, so I guess the question is why you think that's a reply or why being better than a device released 4 years before is an endorsement. The pixel 4 is better than the original pixel. This shouldn't surprise anyone. Extrapolate.
        greentissue 5y ago
        I wouldn't say the pixel 4 is better. My Pixel XL still works great and has unlimited google photos upload. All pixels afterwards have a time limited google photo upload (photos can only live there for so long before counting against your data limit). My Pixel 3 has been a PoS since I got it and only gotten worse over time. For example after a software update the usb-c port is no longer reversible, it only charges if cable is inserted in specific direction. I hear pixel 4 has similar Quality issues as pixel 3.
- d3nj4l 5y ago
  This is the old PC master race thing again. Well duh, of course the Quest 2 is garbage compared to your $3k VR setup, but a $300 flat entry point to the VR space - no additional purchase or PC required - is undeniably a good thing for everyone.
  - LegitShady 5y ago
    honestly not if it gives facebook control of the VR market.
- rubicon33 5y ago
  You should not be down voted. I can personally attest to what you are saying and I am a big fan of VR. Quest 2 games suck. Plain and simple. If you’re used to high fidelity graphically immersive deep story games, then you will never find satisfaction on Quest 2 native games. Connect to a PC for that.
  - Kiro 5y ago
    They should definitely be downvoted because such a blanket statement is simply incorrect. I love my Quest and think the games are really awesome. Saying it not stand-alone because you need to connect it to a PC is just absurd.
    - LegitShady 5y ago
      >Saying it not stand-alone because you need to connect it to a PC is just absurd. Nobody said anything about it not being standalone because you need to connect to it PC, rather that standalone VR is a poor experience and once you connect it to a PC for a much better experience, it's no longer standalone.
- soylentnewsorg 5y ago
  You know what else is "garbage?" - games. Because no one plays games on their phone, since a $3k gaming tower in their home is much better. I also never eat at Burger King - because their food is not as good as a 5 star restaurant. In fact, games without top of the notch 600W GPU graphics are not played by anyone. If you play solitaire, it needs to run at 120FPS and use raytracing. This is also why Walmart went out of business, because their stuff, while cheap, is of lower quality. Why would I want a $10 "leather outer" belt when I can get full grain hyde from Sacks. Their grocery business failed too once Whole Foods showed up.
  - charcircuit 5y ago
    I don't play on my phone and my computer did cost $3k if you include my vr equipment. I don't eat at burger king. I've played solitaire at 120 fps, but not with ray tracing. I also don't shop at walmart.
    - saurik 5y ago
      And yet all of these things are still quite successful so apparently your data point is noise.
      - dlss 5y ago
        Do we agree it's a bad sign when a model treats lived human experience as noise?
    - soylentnewsorg 5y ago
      I do understand that people who are afraid of social contact order everything online and never leave their computer. I highly recommend going to a doctor - they have pills for extreme cases of social anxiety now which will after many years of therapy allow you to function as part of society. There's nothing to be afraid of little one. You can be normal, with a lot of time and a lot of help from qualified medical professionals.
  - theknocker 5y ago

standalone VR is pretty garbage running off a phone graphics card. The quest is only interesting where you connect to PCVR, and then its not standalone.

BoorishBears 5y ago
When the average person's personal computing device is barely stronger than that phone graphics card it's pretty good.
LegitShady 5y ago
> When the average person's personal computing device is barely stronger than that phone graphics card it's pretty good. That's ok if you aren't strapping two screens on your face and trying to get the to run as high a refresh rate as you can go. As someone who bought into the new VR revival right away and followed the development of the initial headsets as closely as someone outside the companies developing them could, and has owned and currently owns multiple headsets, I can tell you my experience with VR is performance is very key, and that standalone VR is pretty garbage.
- goatlover 5y ago
  The standalone is pretty damn impressive for your average user at that price, though. And that's what matters for capturing the market.
  - esyir 5y ago
    Speaking as a guy with a full fledged gaming PC and a quest/quest2, the quest was the device that really sold VR for me. PCVR is nice, but has it's limitations. Location is a big one. my desktop is located in an area with no space. Being able to go to a different room with my quest and just play drastically reduces the friction of the reality-VR transition. You of course get different annoyances like fidelity/battery, but the freedom of truly wireless VR is a massive bonus.
    - goatlover 5y ago
      Agreed, I put it in my backpack and bike or walk to small gym nobody is currently using and have the maximum space without worrying about running into anything.
- lquist 5y ago
  What setup do you recommend currently?
- seanmcdirmid 5y ago
  Standalone is great, especially for fitness application. I can't imagine ever using a wired setup, but I get your use cases might be different.
- fomine3 5y ago
  "garbage" vs nothing, "garbage" wins.
  - LegitShady 5y ago
    not true - I'd rather skip a meal than eat garbage.
cortesoft 5y ago
Have you used the Quest 2? I've owned the original rift dev kit, a vive, a vive pro, and a quest 2.... the stand alone quest 2 experience is actually pretty amazing. I was skeptical, too, but it is quite impressive.
- lostgame 5y ago
  Current owner and I agree. It’s an incredibly quality experience compared to, E.G., the Vive, even!
  - LegitShady 5y ago
    It was released 4 years after the vive - I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
    - Kiro 5y ago
      We're all asking you the same thing.
      - LegitShady 5y ago
        I never compared the quest to a device released 4 years before it, so I guess the question is why you think that's a reply or why being better than a device released 4 years before is an endorsement. The pixel 4 is better than the original pixel. This shouldn't surprise anyone. Extrapolate.
        greentissue 5y ago
        I wouldn't say the pixel 4 is better. My Pixel XL still works great and has unlimited google photos upload. All pixels afterwards have a time limited google photo upload (photos can only live there for so long before counting against your data limit). My Pixel 3 has been a PoS since I got it and only gotten worse over time. For example after a software update the usb-c port is no longer reversible, it only charges if cable is inserted in specific direction. I hear pixel 4 has similar Quality issues as pixel 3.
d3nj4l 5y ago
This is the old PC master race thing again. Well duh, of course the Quest 2 is garbage compared to your $3k VR setup, but a $300 flat entry point to the VR space - no additional purchase or PC required - is undeniably a good thing for everyone.
- LegitShady 5y ago
  honestly not if it gives facebook control of the VR market.
rubicon33 5y ago
You should not be down voted. I can personally attest to what you are saying and I am a big fan of VR. Quest 2 games suck. Plain and simple. If you’re used to high fidelity graphically immersive deep story games, then you will never find satisfaction on Quest 2 native games. Connect to a PC for that.
- Kiro 5y ago
  They should definitely be downvoted because such a blanket statement is simply incorrect. I love my Quest and think the games are really awesome. Saying it not stand-alone because you need to connect it to a PC is just absurd.
  - LegitShady 5y ago
    >Saying it not stand-alone because you need to connect it to a PC is just absurd. Nobody said anything about it not being standalone because you need to connect to it PC, rather that standalone VR is a poor experience and once you connect it to a PC for a much better experience, it's no longer standalone.
soylentnewsorg 5y ago
You know what else is "garbage?" - games. Because no one plays games on their phone, since a $3k gaming tower in their home is much better. I also never eat at Burger King - because their food is not as good as a 5 star restaurant. In fact, games without top of the notch 600W GPU graphics are not played by anyone. If you play solitaire, it needs to run at 120FPS and use raytracing. This is also why Walmart went out of business, because their stuff, while cheap, is of lower quality. Why would I want a $10 "leather outer" belt when I can get full grain hyde from Sacks. Their grocery business failed too once Whole Foods showed up.
- charcircuit 5y ago
  I don't play on my phone and my computer did cost $3k if you include my vr equipment. I don't eat at burger king. I've played solitaire at 120 fps, but not with ray tracing. I also don't shop at walmart.
  - saurik 5y ago
    And yet all of these things are still quite successful so apparently your data point is noise.
    - dlss 5y ago
      Do we agree it's a bad sign when a model treats lived human experience as noise?
  - soylentnewsorg 5y ago
    I do understand that people who are afraid of social contact order everything online and never leave their computer. I highly recommend going to a doctor - they have pills for extreme cases of social anxiety now which will after many years of therapy allow you to function as part of society. There's nothing to be afraid of little one. You can be normal, with a lot of time and a lot of help from qualified medical professionals.
- theknocker 5y ago