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》This misses the point in that the US is the _only_ developed country to impose worldwide taxation on its citizens regardless of where they live Not really. No

》This misses the point in that the US is the _only_ developed country to impose worldwide taxation on its citizens regardless of where they live Not really. Norway does that for 3 years after leaving. Australia is very opinionated and may not allow people to change tax residency, even after physically moving out...

xunn0026 5y ago
Of course, nowadays Australia won't even let people physically leave at all!
- Scoundreller 5y ago
  I thought leaving was easy, but returning was the complicated part.
  - xunn0026 5y ago
    Nope: > If you are an Australian citizen or a permanent resident you cannot leave Australia due to COVID-19 restrictions unless you have an exemption.
- pgreenwood 5y ago
  You can leave at will if you're not an Australian citizen or a permanent resident. If you are, then you currently need an exemption, e.g for work or business, or you're going to live in another country.
  - xunn0026 5y ago
    Does this seem... reasonable? Citizens aren't allowed to leave unless they have 'compelling reasons' and provide evidence. People used to escape communism for such reasons.
    - Linosaurus 5y ago
      It probably cuts down on the number of citizens who wish to enter from covid land.
LadyCailin 5y ago
There’s no if ands or buts for the US citizen though, other than the normal ones like making less than $10k a year or whatever.
cheese_van 5y ago
Norway and....Maryland. I've lived abroad most of my career and unwisely lived in Maryland for a short time. When I left to go abroad again, Maryland insisted on taxing my earnings, despite the overseas domicile. I found trying to fight Maryland over taxes was exasperating and futile. protip: if you live in Maryland, and plan an overseas life, establish a domicile in a tax friendly state beforehand. Then leave. Otherwise, Maryland will own you. A pox on Maryland.
- BayAreaEscapee 5y ago
  That's also true for California. I established tax domicile in Nevada before expatriating.
- AndyMcConachie 5y ago
  You can renounce your statehood without renouncing your citizenship. Former Virginian here and I renounced my Virginia statehood for the same reason. It's common for American states to continue to tax their citizens after they leave. And there aren't really any downsides to not being a resident of any state.
AndyMcConachie 5y ago
3 years seems reasonable. The USA does it forever.

xunn0026 5y ago

Of course, nowadays Australia won't even let people physically leave at all!

Scoundreller 5y ago
I thought leaving was easy, but returning was the complicated part.
- xunn0026 5y ago
  Nope: > If you are an Australian citizen or a permanent resident you cannot leave Australia due to COVID-19 restrictions unless you have an exemption.
pgreenwood 5y ago
You can leave at will if you're not an Australian citizen or a permanent resident. If you are, then you currently need an exemption, e.g for work or business, or you're going to live in another country.
- xunn0026 5y ago
  Does this seem... reasonable? Citizens aren't allowed to leave unless they have 'compelling reasons' and provide evidence. People used to escape communism for such reasons.
  - Linosaurus 5y ago
    It probably cuts down on the number of citizens who wish to enter from covid land.

LadyCailin 5y ago

There’s no if ands or buts for the US citizen though, other than the normal ones like making less than $10k a year or whatever.

cheese_van 5y ago

Norway and....Maryland. I've lived abroad most of my career and unwisely lived in Maryland for a short time. When I left to go abroad again, Maryland insisted on taxing my earnings, despite the overseas domicile. I found trying to fight Maryland over taxes was exasperating and futile. protip: if you live in Maryland, and plan an overseas life, establish a domicile in a tax friendly state beforehand. Then leave. Otherwise, Maryland will own you. A pox on Maryland.

BayAreaEscapee 5y ago
That's also true for California. I established tax domicile in Nevada before expatriating.
AndyMcConachie 5y ago
You can renounce your statehood without renouncing your citizenship. Former Virginian here and I renounced my Virginia statehood for the same reason. It's common for American states to continue to tax their citizens after they leave. And there aren't really any downsides to not being a resident of any state.

AndyMcConachie 5y ago

3 years seems reasonable. The USA does it forever.