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Why is everyone here acting like the governor is merely stupid? He is not arguing from ignorance, he is arguing in bad faith. Mike Parson wants to feed the narr

Why is everyone here acting like the governor is merely stupid? He is not arguing from ignorance, he is arguing in bad faith. Mike Parson wants to feed the narrative that the American free press is the "enemy of the people" because it suits his politics, nothing more. The only message here is "be careful embarrassing fascists."

SamPatt 5y ago
Nearly all politicians act like this when they're in power. The general public is easily mislead. HN notices it when it's a tech issue, but it happens in economics, medicine, basically everywhere. They have zero incentives to accept responsibility.
- jeremyjh 5y ago
  Nearly all politicians prosecute reporters? No, I'm pretty sure that is just the fascists.
  - SamPatt 5y ago
    Substitute whistleblower for reporter and yes, nearly all politicians will use the criminal justice system to silence their critics. Was Obama a fascist? I have no desire to engage in whataboutism, they all show their true colors when they're in power and shown corrupt or incompetent.
    - jeremyjh 5y ago
      >I have no desire to engage in whataboutism Then don't. I think Snowden should be pardoned and considered a national hero, but he unquestionably committed a very serious crime. There was no crime committed in the State of Missouri on this matter.
  - kmlx 5y ago
    > pretty sure that is just the fascists. i’m not from the US, but is it common in the US to use these kinds of accusations? seems ultra far fetched.
    - SamPatt 5y ago
      Yes. Most online discourse about politics will eventually have someone claim fascism or make a Hilter reference. If you aren't among one of the two sides it can be humorous to watch at times.
      - lloydgrossman 5y ago
        and there's the 3rd response: the enlightened centrist.
      - dredmorbius 5y ago
        "The creator of Godwin’s Law explains why some Nazi comparisons don’t break his famous Internet rule" https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/08/14/the-creator-of-godwins-law-explains-why-some-nazi-comparisons-dont-break-his-famous-internet-rule/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/08... "It’s Time to Call Nazis ‘Nazis’" https://www.thedailybeast.com/its-time-to-call-nazis-nazis https://www.thedailybeast.com/its-time-to-call-nazis-nazis Chap behind Godwin's law suspends his own rule for Charlottesville fascists: 'By all means, compare them to Nazis' https://www.theregister.com/2017/08/14/godwins_law_creator_rescinds_ruling_after_nazis_march_in_charlottesville/ https://www.theregister.com/2017/08/14/godwins_law_creator_r... And there's the law itself. Mike Godwin takes pains to clarify that it's not about valid or invalid comparison, or who's "winning" or "losing" the discussion, as it is an observation that productive discussion within the thread is over. Specifically: So - *WHAT DOES IT MEAN*? Fine, fine - it means that somebody's eventually going to say something about the Nazis in any thread that lasts very long. When it happens, the thread is going to start either degenerating into a long flamewar over Nazi Germany or about Godwin's Law. Either way, the thread is effectively over, and you can safely killfile the thread and move on. ... 2. What happens if we're actually talking about Nazis? Then you've already invoked Godwin's Law, and the chances are that your thread isn't going to last all that much longer as a sane discussion. Them's the breaks. 3. What about arguing with Neo-Nazis? Arguing with Neo-Nazis is probably the quickest path to getting Nazi invocations, because, well, they're actually accurate. Still, trying to invoke Godwin's Law near a Neo-Nazi isn't really a good idea because it's not terribly original and they'll probably get off on it anyway. Just ignore them and occasionally publish a FAQ detailing what actually happened during the Holocaust and such; arguing probably isn't going to help you. http://wiki.killfile.org/projects/usenet/faqs/godwin/ http://wiki.killfile.org/projects/usenet/faqs/godwin/ This thread has reached the discussion-of-Godwin's-law stage, so there's that. And remember that "it can't happen here" is also a fallacy.
- dylan604 5y ago
  Because of HN no-politics type of policy, the only time HN can get riled up is when the politics involve tech. It's not that HN readers have no interest in these other topics. There's limitations on what the man will allow you to discuss about the other man. Hi dang!!!
philote 5y ago
I wonder if he's trying to "control the narrative" in the hopes that he (or the state) isn't sued for releasing private teachers' data to the public.
karaterobot 5y ago
I think we're using Hanlon's Razor. All else equal, it's more likely he's merely ignorant than that he's trying to tear down the first amendment. Is there any evidence to the contrary?

SamPatt 5y ago

Nearly all politicians act like this when they're in power. The general public is easily mislead. HN notices it when it's a tech issue, but it happens in economics, medicine, basically everywhere. They have zero incentives to accept responsibility.

jeremyjh 5y ago
Nearly all politicians prosecute reporters? No, I'm pretty sure that is just the fascists.
- SamPatt 5y ago
  Substitute whistleblower for reporter and yes, nearly all politicians will use the criminal justice system to silence their critics. Was Obama a fascist? I have no desire to engage in whataboutism, they all show their true colors when they're in power and shown corrupt or incompetent.
  - jeremyjh 5y ago
    >I have no desire to engage in whataboutism Then don't. I think Snowden should be pardoned and considered a national hero, but he unquestionably committed a very serious crime. There was no crime committed in the State of Missouri on this matter.
- kmlx 5y ago
  > pretty sure that is just the fascists. i’m not from the US, but is it common in the US to use these kinds of accusations? seems ultra far fetched.
  - SamPatt 5y ago
    Yes. Most online discourse about politics will eventually have someone claim fascism or make a Hilter reference. If you aren't among one of the two sides it can be humorous to watch at times.
    - lloydgrossman 5y ago
      and there's the 3rd response: the enlightened centrist.
    - dredmorbius 5y ago
      "The creator of Godwin’s Law explains why some Nazi comparisons don’t break his famous Internet rule" https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/08/14/the-creator-of-godwins-law-explains-why-some-nazi-comparisons-dont-break-his-famous-internet-rule/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/08... "It’s Time to Call Nazis ‘Nazis’" https://www.thedailybeast.com/its-time-to-call-nazis-nazis https://www.thedailybeast.com/its-time-to-call-nazis-nazis Chap behind Godwin's law suspends his own rule for Charlottesville fascists: 'By all means, compare them to Nazis' https://www.theregister.com/2017/08/14/godwins_law_creator_rescinds_ruling_after_nazis_march_in_charlottesville/ https://www.theregister.com/2017/08/14/godwins_law_creator_r... And there's the law itself. Mike Godwin takes pains to clarify that it's not about valid or invalid comparison, or who's "winning" or "losing" the discussion, as it is an observation that productive discussion within the thread is over. Specifically: So - *WHAT DOES IT MEAN*? Fine, fine - it means that somebody's eventually going to say something about the Nazis in any thread that lasts very long. When it happens, the thread is going to start either degenerating into a long flamewar over Nazi Germany or about Godwin's Law. Either way, the thread is effectively over, and you can safely killfile the thread and move on. ... 2. What happens if we're actually talking about Nazis? Then you've already invoked Godwin's Law, and the chances are that your thread isn't going to last all that much longer as a sane discussion. Them's the breaks. 3. What about arguing with Neo-Nazis? Arguing with Neo-Nazis is probably the quickest path to getting Nazi invocations, because, well, they're actually accurate. Still, trying to invoke Godwin's Law near a Neo-Nazi isn't really a good idea because it's not terribly original and they'll probably get off on it anyway. Just ignore them and occasionally publish a FAQ detailing what actually happened during the Holocaust and such; arguing probably isn't going to help you. http://wiki.killfile.org/projects/usenet/faqs/godwin/ http://wiki.killfile.org/projects/usenet/faqs/godwin/ This thread has reached the discussion-of-Godwin's-law stage, so there's that. And remember that "it can't happen here" is also a fallacy.
dylan604 5y ago
Because of HN no-politics type of policy, the only time HN can get riled up is when the politics involve tech. It's not that HN readers have no interest in these other topics. There's limitations on what the man will allow you to discuss about the other man. Hi dang!!!

philote 5y ago

I wonder if he's trying to "control the narrative" in the hopes that he (or the state) isn't sued for releasing private teachers' data to the public.

karaterobot 5y ago

I think we're using Hanlon's Razor. All else equal, it's more likely he's merely ignorant than that he's trying to tear down the first amendment. Is there any evidence to the contrary?